wingedMonkey

Thank you so much, you are correct. I had started Wushu recently again and learned Leopard as well as some Hung Gar Tiger. They really are awesome forms, especially how leopard is for smaller people yet powerful like tiger.

Well, as most of you may not remember, lol, I am in the ATA and don't worry it is getting better, and yeah there are still some schools that are less than reputable but people are starting to realize that we are about the art as well...too bad eternal grand master isn't around anymore he would fix things..anyways I thought I would update on what is going on with this revolutionary/mcdojang place. 1. ATA has added creative forms and creative weapons. 2. There is stick fight sparring now. 3. MMA fights have also been added for 1st degree black belts and up. 4. They have finally added a uniform physical exam to moving up. So, I should mention I have practiced WTF as well but ATA I've noticed really advanced TKD. I also do Wushu now as well as traditional Kung Fu, but the only problem with ATA still is that they are still money hungry...

lol, awesome.

I did part of my korean thesis in college on taekkyun and it is actually a long ago martial art that at one point was the most popular in one of the Kingdoms. In fact at it's height the king practiced it, the only reason it stopped being made for peasents was because too much gambling began. Then the japanese occupied and tried to destroy it but one guy continued to practice and then the recent old grandmaster that died hadn't actually practiced it in several decades but came out to help out people trying to preserve it..as for dongyi, I believe it is rooted on the original Taekkyun but they do more dynamic stuff which may be why people thought it was a fake...but it isn't.

So someone brought this up in the topic I made about the History of Tiger Kung Fu but we can discuss it here further. I mentioned how I practiced TKD for most of my life and called it a hard or external style. So when I started doing Wushu about a year or two ago, tiger style easily came to me because it is considered the most external style according to Shaolin Canon. What do you'all think? Is there another style of Wushu(kungfu) that you think would be an easy transition for someone from a hard style let's say karate, muay thai, or boxing? One last note: I have noticed there are probably other internal styles out there that aren't kung fu, for instance Yoga, so if you know some please mention this too.

Most definitely, in our dojang our master compares technique/forms and sparring/freestyle with the ying and the yang. That you can't practice one without the other. She has also been a 7 time world champion in our style and is considered one of the toughest out there in our style. The point she likes to make also is that practicing techniques are good for muscle memory and training hard so that when you fight in real life you do it in an easier position which allows you to hit harder and even faster.

I didn't mean as in the styles are the same, I meant as in the way that both are really hard and external, while the tiger style still has some internal aspects, it is still the easiest in my eyes to ease a martial artist into Wushu.

here are the main points: * 13th Century - Jueyuan with the help of Li Sou known as the master of Red Fist, and Bai Yufeng an internal arts master use their combined knowledge to return the internal aspects to shaolin boxing eventually organizing the Five Animal Styles which includes Tiger * Around 1732 - A tea merchant name Jyu, whom becomes Hung Hei-Gun, learns the tiger style from Jee Sin Sim See (one of the Five Elders that survived destruction of Shaolin from the Qing Dynasty). Which eventually becomes Hung Ga. * Still during Qing Dynasty - Jee Sin teaches nine other laymen (people learning kung fu not religion) four which along with Hung Hei-Gun become the top five family styles in China. A couple of these styles have their own Tiger forms. * Others - From this point on others learn tiger style from defectors, families, or just by being laymen. Some examples are: * Betweem 1910-1919 - Jow Ga is created which incorporates Hung Gar and Choy Gar. having its own forms of tiger. * 1920's - Wong Cheung learns the Siu Lam Black Tiger style from the monk Fung Ping-Wai, a former shaolin monk, when they work together in Hong Kong. The Black Tiger Martial Arts Association is created because of him. * Late 19th Century - Shandong Black Tiger Kung Fu originates from Master Wang Zhenyuan who learned tiger at Shaolin at this time. These are just a couple of examples of the many that are now out there, including one that I am working on. I realized a year after learning southern shaolin tiger style that since it is considered the most external style by Shaolin that it was that main reason that I was able to learn it well because my TaeKwonDo is so external and hardness.

This post will be an overview of the very exhausting research I have done about the tiger style. I don't mean to have anyone offended but this information is all due to the general agreements of several sources. As I mentioned I won't be posting all the information because it's a lot but just some main points I found. You are all welcome to post more information you may know too. I hope to eventually write a book with all the information I have and places cited for everyone to enjoy. I decided to do this research after my Sifu who taught me Southern Shaolin Style moved away. I learned about how there were many tiger styles out there but how they all looked extremely similar. Later did I find they were all related.

So I guess I continued my studies in tiger kung fu on my own, I did a lot of research on where tiger kung fu originated and how the black tiger fist is connected to the shaolin version. It is really interesting things that I found out, I haven't cited all the places i got my information on but that's because most chinese stuff was passed orally or is in chinese. The good thing though is that several different sources agree with each other. I think I will make another topic post about tiger kung fu history.

I would also love to know of any resources to learn black tiger or southern shaolin tiger form better, i started off with shaolin and got into black tiger. My sifu moved away do to his son going to college . There is one book on amazon that is of black tiger kung fu but even used versions of it are 40 dollars and up, i'll try to find it again and put a link up.

1. There is also the straight kick, which is actually a pretty advanced maneuver against a reverse side kick. The person starts doing a reverse, you step towards the side they are turning away from, take another step to get behind them and quickly do a straight(or stretch) kick up to their face from behind. 2. oh and almost forgot, the push kick, it came from the influence of Taekkyun so no one really uses it because it's kind of like a front kick except you push them back, and when executing it your knee is brought up towards your chest and then you push out.

wow, the only time it takes a long time is in red belt, you spend about 6 months or 8 months as a red belt and then in red/black to black is like another 2 months.

That's crazy! we don't have midterms until you are at red belt. and our graduation costs are 50 dollars.

you don't have to join any club to test but it does have a cost to test, its basically to cover the cost of the belt and i guess the judges... for weapons is when you need to join clubs because obviously weapons are not tkd but an extra thing.

Yeah, i actually bought the magazine of tkd times with him on it and it talks about how he was helping eternal master. He seems like a pretty cool guy because of the whole going to open style tournaments and stuff.

yea, it definitely does depend on where you go heavily in our organization. I do wish it wasn't so money driven though. its probably the best style of tkd i've seen in all my life.

Okay, i'll try and get it tonight when i go to practice and then i'll try to post it up somehow.

Hmm, that is interesting, i didn't knowthat th HQ didn't emphasize these new requirements...wow, let down by the HQ.

So I started training in Kung Fu again recently, although most of my life I've studied mostly Tae Kwon Do because I love it. Anyways..I was able to do some advanced forms fairly quickly..and noticed the techniques were roots for moves I had already learned in TKD. Has anyone else ever studied more than one martial art, and almost had them finally blur together..I think this is theoretically true for probably all martial arts since they all have roots that are the same.

Ehe...sorry guys, I just found out today that it IS the 2nd degree form that is based on Kung Fu...The girl i thought was a third degree..i learned was actually a second degree...so i dunno i'm kinda confused...i totally could have sworn she was a third degree....odd...

A good way to get higher kicks is to lift your knees higher when rechambering, never forget this because it is a vital part of kicking.

Also agreeing with everyone here, bushido_man is correct because it is the Olympic style that does not allow for hands to be used and thus the result of not using them. If you go waaaaaay back in like text books, and really traditional schools in Korea, you should always have your hands ready.

Yeah, and lucky me i'm 21 so i'm in the hardest age division where everything peaks at! lol...ughh..wow, its crazy to think of how in shape i'm gonna have to be.

They are actually higher than any military requirements. I have the sheet and will try to scan it to send it to u or post some of the information later. Yeah, but I think teaching skills are really important too, that's why i refuse to teach yet...I keep telling them that I want to be even better before i start teaching.