The BB of C

That's cool. This post is proof that humans still carry the potential to be one with nature.

That's cool that you recieved an award. I couldn't imagine playing the saxophone. It looks way complicated and I'm no good at musical instruments to begin with.

How does this work with teaching children? They don't know what they'll grow up to be or do. I don't know any good or high quality teachers that would disagree with getting out of a dangerous situation as the FIRST option. However, if that is impossible, and pressure points are known to be extremely ineffective in life/death struggles, how do you teach your students to cope with that situation? If a student's child's life is in danger, should they allow their child to be killed just to avoid breaking the code? If so, how is allowing someone to be killed/injured considered any different from doing it themselves? Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying your beliefs are incorrect. Quite the contrary actually. I think you have the a great moral standard I just wonder if it's realistic or applicable to a life/death situation. Also, I chose not to PM you on this because I think it will make for a great discussion. Hope you don't take offense to that. To answer your first question, we don't teach anyone under 13-years-old. And we have been debating moving it up to 15 or even 16 years of age. We don't know yet. We're still studying and experimenting with techniques, ways of training, everything. We research into learning as many different (non-lethal) techniques as possible involving throws, striking, pressure points, ground combat, practical weapons, MA-style weapons (ex. katanas, nunchucks, bo-staffs, whatever we can get our hands on). The scenario of a trainee's child being in danger, I would hope that the trainee would remember their training. To get everyone out of there without anyone being maimed or killed. As long as we don't do any kind of permanent damage, I don't believe we do anything wrong in defending ourselves. We also wouldn't allow people to be killed in the altercation, but we always try our best and use 130% of our power to make sure it doesn't happen. Of course sometimes something may go wrong. That's all I can really say for that, unfortunately. But as for right now, all of this comes back to that we simply don't know how yet. We're keeping our code in mind and keep on studying. Continuously absorbing, learning, and teaching ourselves, building towards our goal to be a non-lethal Ninjitsu (if you understand what I'm trying to say with that phrase). As for not wanting to private message me with your questions; perfectly alright. I understand why would want to bring the discussion here. I just wanted to private message or instant message because it would have been easier for me to answer questions as opposed to checking back at this thread constantly. That is close. But we wouldn’t cripple someone unless it was temporary. IE breaking a leg. If it causes any permanent damage, it would be very minimal and not anything we would think too highly of. And to Bushido_man96 and Cross: I understand what you're saying. But we're going to try anyway. I honestly think we'll succeed eventually too. I would like you to take in mind how bad we are at the martial arts. I'll openly admit I stink and I don't know a lot about them. I set down that code and started developing the concepts of Cannon Style in my own desperate means for defending myself against bullies at school. The first and only remaining of my Cannon Style experiment friends has told me a story of when someone he knew explicitly threatened his life a number of times. Then, one day, the two of them got in a brutal fight. My friend does describe it as the other guy tring to kill him, though I'm not sure how bad it was for myself. My friend was able to knock him out with the very little amount of training he had from me in our code and concepts. The way we designed the ranking system in Cannon Style, it's meant so that each generation of practicioners gets stronger and stronger. Knowing that, I believe that we will be able to reach our tall order goal someday in the future if we can hold our own knowing absolutely nothing today in the presant.

Thank you, USCMAAI. That post was surprisingly accurate. I'll try to take your advice and see what happens the next time this subject comes up at the dinner table.

No. I am not prepared. My Kuk Sool Won instructors have tried to teach me techniques that would kill and I refused to even practice them. I believe it is always wrong to kill. Of course, when it comes to military and law enforcement, there's nothing I can do or say about that. Which is why I would only train people who plan on living normal civilian lives. I call it 'Code: B' (preservation of human life). This is the code that makes or breaks people as far as qualifying for me to train them or not. To fulfill it, you must be willing to never cause permanent damage or kill anyone in a conflict. This instantly excludes people who plan on joining the military, becoming police officers. Some of the people who work with me on developing our style have suggested adding lawyers, politicians, and some types of doctors to the list. But we are not sure yet. This code also means that you preserve yourself as a human. It teaches the people who train this style that if they find themselves in a dangerous situation, to remove themselves and/or whoever else may be involved in the situation as quickly as possible without anyone getting seriously injured. It means that in fights, you cause pain without damage. The worst thing we'd ever teach is to break an arm or a leg, dislocate an elbow or a knee. We also would teach and learn what we call 'submissionary' pressure points. Pressure points that when hit or pressed on, cause minimal amounts of damage that only hurts and doesn't last longer than 10-20 minutes. Or if being pressed on, only hurt as long as they're being pressed on, also with no real damage applied. It also has a moral and ethnic point of view to it. I believe that if you kill someone; you are no better as a person than the person who was trying to kill you was. Or if you kill someone for killing someone else; you are no better than them. I presume we all know about the deadliness of styles like Jeet Kune Do, Commando Krav Maga, and Ninjitsu. Just keep the effectiveness of those styles in mind for a few minutes for me, and you'll understand my next statement. The goal of Cannon Style is to one day be as effective as Ninjitsu, without the deadliness. We want someday for one of our trainees to be able to be jumped by someone on the street, multiple attackers, lead pipes, hammers, bricks, guns, and any mix of the above and be able to get out with not a single person being truely injured. If someone should get injured during the conflict, we would probably seek medical attention for them as well. Pain without damage. That's one of our fight mottos. I am not ready for deadly techniques. I refuse to learn them. I refuse to teach them. I refuse to teach anyone who would be willing to use them. If anyone has a question for me about this, please private message me.

Is it just me or do I post a lot of topics asking for advice? This one is about my parents and I. Ever since I was in 6th grade I've been writing. I like writing a lot. But then my parents would complain because I would spend a lot of time on the computer writing. They told me for years to get another hobby so that's not all I'm doing is writing on the computer. Then I got into 7th grade and I got picked on a lot at school. I got back into the martial arts so I could learn how to defend myself against the bullies at school. I have never been too good, but I got good enough to beat down a couple. Then I discovered I liked the martial arts a lot and began practicing along with my writing. Lo-and-behold my parents are complaining again. Alongside with me being on the computer "too much"; My older brother, Dan, is into things like boxing, UFC, ASKA, things like that, he's also a very good fighter himself. Before I got into martial arts, we had nothing to talk about. We never really liked each other that much. I was always Nicholas and he was always Dan simply put. Now that I'm into it, him and I have some common ground. And then my little brother, Brian, followed me and him into the martial arts. Before I got into the martial arts, all my brothers and I did was argue and my parents would always get upset because of that. And I'm thinking: GOSH DARN IT WOULD YOU MAKE UP YOUR MIND PLEASE?! HALF THE REASON I GOT BACK INTO KARATE IS SO YOU WOULD STOP NAGGING ME ABOUT MY WRITING! Because it's all there is to do. I live in the middle of nowhere where all of our neighbors hate us and my closest geographical friend, who you won't even let me go see, lives seven miles away. I don't actually take that kind of disrespectful tone with my parents. But it's what I'm thinking the whole time and it's the message I try to respectfully relay. I'm wondering what the heck I did wrong this time. They wanted me to get a second hobby because I was doing one of them too much, so I did, and now I'm doing both of them, and apparently it's still too much "wasting time doing nothing." Does anybody know what I might be able to do?

By the way thank you for your comments, I love to discuss the martial arts, and it is refreshing to see so many people who love it as well. Hey, thanks. Appeciate that! Now you just have to tailor your technique training on your own to meet the needs described above, and make your style effective, instead of accepting it as not being effective. I knew that. And I have a few theories as to how to do it. But I'm not really worried about myself. I'm not in martial arts for self defense anymore. But I am worried about the others in the class, the girls who are in there for self defense, and they're not learning how to use their techniques and all the good techniques come after four-six years and even then they might not ever really learn them because of the way they're taught. It actually pains me a little bit to see that

I doubt that. On account of I've seen people kick through three baseball bats at one time. I don't think there are any places in the body that are usually three times as hard as a baseball bat.

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Interesting. I know I wouldn't ever teach how to use a gun, but if I could, I would teach how to take one away from the assailant.

BRAVO! This post by USCMAAI has been a "Hitting the Nail on the Head" moment. Stay tuned for "Webster Kuk Sool Won Students Try To Defend Themselves and Fail because They Don't Learn the Things Listed Above." Great post.

There are many different ways of kicking, training, and explaining things. It's because of this I believe that it's nearly impossible for one specific technique to be the ultimate universal most effective way of doing it. Anything can be used in a fight when you get down to it. But there are correct ways to train it. For example, when I trian independantly, my friends and I have attacks that we practice that if you were to see, I almost gaurentee the first thing you'd say would be "That would never work." But because of the way we teach and train them to make sure they do it right before the practicioner moves on, we make it work. I've used them myself. I've seen them work for my other friends who train with me. People must also remember that there is almost no universal ways of training even inside the style. There's a Tae Kwon Do school down the road that stinks on ice. To make things easier for me, I'm just going to say that they train 'X' way. About 30 miles west, there is another Tae Kwon Do school. They train 'Y' way. And to the east of 'X' Tae Kwon Do, is 'Z' Tae Kwon Do. I have seen people from 'Y' stomp on practicioners of 'X' and then get beat by 'Z'. But then 'Z' got beat by 'X'. These were all Tae Kwon Do schools. But they all had very different instructors and they all had very different ways of doing things. The only similarity is that they both preached flexebility and high, fast kicks, like you'd expect of Tae Kwon Do. Now let's refer back to some of the earlier posts. In the left corner we have a Wrestler with three years experience. In the right corner we have a Tae Kwon Do practicioner of five years experience. The fight starts. One of them moves in first and attacks. The other defends. We all know Wrestlers grapple and TKD people kick. The Wrestler moves in and gets kicked in the head and knocked out clean. When the Wrestler recooperates, a different TKD man with the same amount of experience in the style but from a different school comes in. The fight starts. The Wrestler moves in. The TKD man misses the defending kick or the Wrestler blocks/dodges it and gets tackled and obliterated. The truth is, we don't know who is going to win. It's all about who is fighting and sometimes who gets lucky. Now, I will give it this much; some styles are better than others at certain things. That's usually because that's what they're made for. What are the odds a pure Tae Kwon Do fighter would be able to throw like an Aikido fighter? What are the odds a pure Aikido fighter could cartwheel kick like a Capoeira fighter? It's not that one is a better fighter, it's that they're better at certain things because that's what they've been trained to do and that's what the style was meant for. And when you're talking about fighting, how can you say anything will work for sure? There are so many different types of fights, so many different styles, and in each one - an infinite amount of factors that could influence who wins or loses. Nothing is set in stone in a fighting situation. Apply this to any combination of styles you can think of and always remember. There are anywhere between 300 and 400 different styles of martial arts out there. None of them are better than the other. They are different. But nobody is better when it comes to fighting.

I know. We were all angry at him for hitting in the face. We've been trying for three months to get that reaction out so he wouldn't get disqualified. But I guess the three years of us previously telling him to punch people in the face kind of overrode it. But we're still proud of him for being able to land that hit.

I think there are camps to learn it and stuff. Google it. I'm sure you'll find something. I did by accident one day.

My little brother just returned from fighting in his first big tournament (second tournament alltogether if you want to get technical). I was going to go to the tournament, but I couldn't participate because my father thought it may be too dangerous for me, and then I had to work so I couldn't go watch. He lost. But we all know deep down he really won. "How so?" you may ask. Allow me to elaborate. In my little brother's division, you're not allowed to hit to the head. That's all I need to say. We did not expect Brian to be able to hold his own at this tournament. We were actually scared for him. Technically he's only been really training for a year at a Kuk Sool Won school that is not that good. But apparently, the training he does on his own in addition with the influence of two very powerful older brothers, he came though. A little too well actually. One missed punch slammed my little brother's opponent's head (not very hard from what I've heard) and knocked him out clean...for three full minutes straight! Brian lost enough points for hitting to the head when he wasn't supposed to to lose the match. But in our hearts he won. This kid was 60 pounds heavier and 2 years older with much more professional experience under his belt and he got his clock cleaned by the last kid anybody expected to be able to do it. I feel bad for missing it. I just felt like sharing all of that. I feel a lot of pride for my little brother right now.

I'm very glad you said this. I've been trying to remind my Kuk Sool Won teachers about this all of the time because they always preech their moves like it's the only way that ever existed to do them. And everyone seems to think that MMA fighters are always the best or this or that style is better than any other style out there. I can't stand it. Victory lies within the individual, not the style.

He spent most of his young life in Chinese opera school. I knew this, and it didn't surprise me when I saw this video.

I love sparring and weapons practice outdoors. As for learning, I like to in a school setting.

I suggest forcing yourself to move in. Once you learn how to force yourself to move in. Try this: Open with a long distance kick. When you come down, you should be within punching range. Keep the punches coming and keep moving in closer. At this point, you can mix it up with low kicks, knees, punches, elbows, forearms, shoulders, and even headbutts if it's legal. Just remember to know how far away from your opponent you are and know how long your limbs (all listed above) are. Don't throw a shoulderbutt if you need a kick to reach your opponent. That's a good way to leave yourself open to get knocked out. Also, be continuous. If you hit once, keep hitting. They're bound to have at least one open spot. Human's can't protect all their body parts at once. If he's got his whole chest covered, go for the head or legs. If he's got his head covered, go for the chest and stomach. Switch your attacks as much as possible to lose predictability. Losing the set form combos you have will help with this too (if that's what you meant by 'combos' when you said it).

I just heard a story from my friend at school today. His father, who is a very experienced martial artist, was mugged by several people at once one time (my friend says he was there when it happened) and one of them tried to come at his father with a pipe, and his father boke the man's jaw with a roundhouse kick.

Very interesting tactics. I'll definately look into these further. They look effective.

Yes, very. People tell me it's part of the reason I suck.

Thanks for the advice everyone. I have decided I'm going to go into the Kyrokushin school as soon as I can.

When I trained independantly we used street clothes but now that I'm in a school we have uniforms and gis.