Drunken Monkey

maybe you should read that again. the word 'theatrics' should have made it quite clear what the quote means...

but it isn't Kyokushin. man, you can't even answer a simple question.

he did not say that he was too deadly for them. he just sent out a challenge because he was annoyed with what the gracies were doing.

getting injured and it being real are two different things. i'm not discounting their athletic abilities. i'm sure they are all very able guys and gals but the whole thing is fake. the point is, when things work out, the injuroes are minimal. people only really get hurt when things go wrong. last time. WWE is fake. all those in favour, say 'aye'.

it's kinda hard not to know the guys who gave the world bjj. maybe one day, you will say something that has actual substance. it's easy to say that the gracies are nothing but hype but can you actually back that up? give a little detailed explaination to your statement maybe? without the ability to support yout points, you will forever be the nine year old kid who wishes he could be goku.

no, there isn't much difference. it is fake. by definition, anything that is staged is fake.

why is everyone taking this so wrong? no one said that being a striker is SUPERIOR. i only submitted the mutiple attacker scenario to point to the one-on-one nature of bjj. ok, let's try this in very simple terms. for grapplers: when you engage an opponent you grapple. i.e get close and control. this takes x amount of time. for strikers: engaging an opponent is entering and hitting. this takes less than x amount of time (possibly). the basic reasoning is that against multiple attackers, you engage many times but against a different person. you can do this because the exchanges are a lot quicker (assuming you can put the guy down to the floor) and so, still standing, you simply move from one target to another. as a grappler, the moment you decide to engage, you are 'tied' to that one person. you don't have the freedom to escape from that immediate engagement. this is why treebranch and i say that bjj is primarily a one-on-one art (which Venezolano agrees with). there are many other little things that reinforce this but i think the basic premise is sound. as usual, i ask that if you disagree, feel free to tear my post apart.

boxing guys hardly ever switch sides. tht's why they have to note which hand their opponents use. in a martial art that teaches you to use either hand just as effectively as the other, your opponent's stance/power side, shouldn't be that much of a bother.

hey it's good mould. in stilton and roquefort (i think) it's a strain of penicillin...

the only 'tactical' change is that what you do is now on the opposite side but this isn't strictly a tactical change is it? instead of your left, you use your right. instead of going to one side you go to the other. it's just switching sides.

well, it's all really a variation of staff techniques really. oh, latest report on my three section staff training. my sifu has got me back to doing staff excercises cos he said i need to improve my body positions. he says it will save my knees from further battering from the three. sigh, i know it's good for me but i feel like i've been demoted...

um, i think i came across them somewhere. didn't note the urls i'm afraid. if i come across them again, i'll let you know.

but my point is, it shouldn't matter to you. you worry about things that are entering your space, not how things are BEFORE they've entered your space. my training teaches me to only worry about things that are about to hit me. i am aware of how the person would hit me differently due to how they are standing but how they stand doesn't change the way i fight. they are two separate issues. well, like i say, that is how i've been taught. we train our left side twice as hard as we train our right so we're just as happy to use either. maybe we're just used to switching sides (and facing a guy who switches sides).

i was refereing to the neccessity for strength in techniques; hence weight/resistance training. more specifically i was refering to the chinese styles because they hardly ever mention any of the heavy duty body strengthening/conditioning training in a 'modern' class. but yeah i know what you mean by resisting partner. i think most people here know how i feel about 'going through the motions'...

maybe i just dont like the idea of 'inventing' moves. it suggests too much. saw a position that works and they singled it out. that position existed before they named it. lots of people probably did it before they named it. so they picked it out and saw it's potential. fine, i grant them that but to say they invented it is a going a bit far in my opinion.

and well, trust me, i'm really looking forward to the day that i can find a make-shift three section staff lying on the ground...

ok, so if you can see the scenario then why can't you see the one on one nature of bjj?

but that's kinda my point. that's why i say no one invents moves. a move is a body position. as long as the body can do it, it has probably been done. that's why i say that to say that the gracies invented the spider guard is to say that no grappler before them ever used that type of guard. get my point?

... if all it takes is someone to stand southpaw against you to make you re-evaluate what you are doing, then don't you think there's a flaw in your training? it shouldn't matter how they face you.

but i thought we were talking in the context of established martial arts...

and surprise surprise, both parties have long accounts of what really happend that explains why nothing that looked like wing chun was in that video... like i say. you can't trust videos. unless you were actually there, you will NEVER know the circumstances. you can have knowledge of the parties' accounts but you can never be sure.

some people will forever read the reads and fail to understand. i've made my point, warp spider understands (despite us having our 'differences') another example to illustrate. let's say i have no experience with bjj but i grapple a lot and during my grappling i have found that in a certain postion i am able to do more things. that position happens to be exactly the 'spider guard' as the gracies call it. who invented it then?

and before we anyone goes into long tracing of lineages, we are talking about immeditate origin... it doesn't matter if the guy's a seventeenth generation disciple of a twenty eighth secular disciple of one of the five remaining survivors of the senior members of the original shaolin temple...

actually, when the chinese say flowery fists they mean that it if of no use. i.e it just looks pretty...

well, if you look at the 'traditional' styles i mentioned i also gave note of how they used to train as a counter point to how we train. i truely believe that there is nothing wrong with any style and that your success boils down to how you train. i mentioned the oldest form of chinese martial art (almost...) of loose technique training which is, in essence, kickboxing. shaolin is traditional but the original training methods made sure you had the physical strength behind the forms. wing chun is considered a traditional art but historically, it is very much a modern art that separates the acts of technique training, strength training and sparring. i've said this before. those guys have the dedication and drive to push their bodies that far; how hard is it going to be for them to make it work in a fight? in a way they have already gotten most of the hard work done. they are strong, flexible, agile and have a huge catalogue of moves in their head. all that's missing is experience in fighting (and who's to say that they don't spar?) if they so desired i'm sure thay can strap on some gear and see what works.