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I have to disagree with some of the stuff that was said here. It seems according to you guys that a BJJ guy would win 9 out of 10 times against a wrestler and I'm not so sure. First of all, BJJ, although very effective (I've practiced in it a bit) was not created for the street, it is very sport oriented. I'm not saying it is not street effective, I'm sure it is, even though I've never personally seen any BJJ practitioner in a street fight. I agree with JoeBSU, a wrestler could become very nasty in the streets. He could easily take someone to the ground and pound the crap out of him. You don't need to know a thousand ways to submit your average Joe in a street fight. Fact is, most people you will ever encounter in a street fight has no clue what to do on the ground so I say a wrestler has a great advantage. And in a street fight between a wrestler and a BJJ guy, a nice hard takedown on concrete might make you lose your wind for a second and seriously hurt you. This is not to say that I favour a wrestler over a BJJ guy, but I wouldn't discount him so easily.

I played hockey all my life so I know quite a bit about injuries. The best way to avoid hurting your rib again is to not allow any blows to hit you until you have completely recovered. You will know when it is healthy since you will not be afraid to get hit there anymore. If you are scared of getting hit to your rib it's because it has not completely recovered yet. I know it's easier said then done, I have not followed my own advice in numerous occasions, but waiting for full recovery would still be the best thing to do.

I agree, sometimes you just need to defend yourself. You can't always talk your way out of a tough situation so defending ourself becomes a necessary choice. Furthermore, sometimes it happens so quickly that you just react instinctively, like it seems to be in your case. You did the right thing.

I was watching Best of the Best 1 last night and I believe Phillip Rhee's (asian fighter for american team) martial art is Tae Kwon Do, and he does look pretty competent at it, I wouldn't like to face him in real life. He seems to know more than kicks also, as you see him make a few grappling moves. On another point, one of the senior students at the Wing Chun dojo I used to practice in once told me that he hated to spar against Tae Kwon Do experts because those powerful kicks could be devestating if one landed. I was surprised when he said this to me because I, like many others it seems, don't (or didn't) consider Tae Kwon Do a very street oriented martial art. However, under the hands of a real expert, who has not only trained the kicking aspect of Tae Kwon Do, I can very well imagine this style as being effective.

Sorry to put it bluntly, but I think you're crazy to go train in a hardcore Muay Thai camp in the middle of the jungle without ever having any formal martial arts training before, or at least a good physical training.

Here in Quebec, Canada, every Judo dojo is regulated and has to follow what the Judo provincial (state for US) federation states as its rule. Although very good to eliminate Mcdojos, reaching blackbelt seems a hard and VERY long task. According to the blackbelts I've spoken to it needs roughly 4 years to reach brown belt. Once this is achieved, you need to earn 120 points to have the right to test for your black belt. If you only attend your regular weekly classes (twice a week I believe) you earn 30 points every year. So someone who only attends his regular classes will have to wait another 4 years before testing for blackbelt (8 years total). You can attend seminars to earn a few more points, but competition seems the only way to speed up the accumulation of points to reach 120 points so that it won't take 8 years to reach blackbelt. This is a bit discouraging since it really seems long, but on the other hand once you reach black belt you've really earned it. I'd like to know what you guys think of this and if your system works the same way, thanks

True, but with their centerline theory and their really straight punches (which can produce surprising power for such technique) Wing Chun has to have my vote for the quickest martial art. As many have said, it depends on the practitioner, but truth is, some martial arts rely more on speed than others.

Thanks for the insight, Nick Cerio's Kenpo seems quite interesting from what you say of it. Do you think it could work well with Judo?

So I guess nobody can tell me anything about it, it's probably just known up here in Canada.

I haven't read all the posts but concensus seems to be that new fighters would kill traditional martial artists in a fight and I beg to differ. I know today's fighters are way more versatile and quite possibly physically conditioned, but I'm not sure these same MMA fighters would fare all that well in an open area with no mats, referee, etc. where everything is legal. Let's not forget that the real Martial Artists of the past were also trained fairly severely in many cases, and they were skilled, so I wouldn't count them out so easily. I am not saying that MMA fighters are not good, heck they are great fighters, but all they train for is those cage matches, so perhaps they would not be comfortable in another environment

I think IT can be done, but not against 20 attackers, although only a certain amount of them can attack you at the same time. A very skilled fighter fighting average Joes could prevail but it depends on the style. Grapplers couldn't do it. I think Kung Fu guys or very proficient Aikidokas would be the best in such circumstances.

Yeah Gumbi, I'd like to read this article if you can find it please. And by the way, I agree with pretty much all you said in your last post

I've just started Judo, and I did a little bit of both BJJ and Wing Chun. In my opinion to best compliment Wing Chun I would choose Judo. Here's why. I believe Wing Chun is effective, but once you get grasped you're in trouble. If you know Judo, you will be able to take him down hard and fast. Plus, there is surprisingly a lot of ground work in Judo (I am surprised!) so you will be able to finish him off there. Why I say Judo would complement Wing Chun better than BJJ is because of the takedowns. BJJ, although a very effective system, has very few takedowns compared to Judo. When rank7 says 'take him down and finish him off with BJJ' the problem I have is that in Wing Chun takedowns is not its forte, hence it's easier said then done. Perhaps BJJ would complement better a style which already comprises some sort of takedowns, but for a style which has none or very few (Wing Chun) I believe Judo would be the best choice.

Hi everyone, my brother has just started boxing, and I've just begun practicing Judo. What I would like to know is first: In your opinion which style has more chances of having the upper hand in a fight between the two if they have the same physical attributes and abilities? (after achieving a good level of proficiency in both: black belt for Judo; and an experienced boxer) And two, which style is better for a street fight? I believe these two aspects are different when comparing styles. Maybe one is more effective against another style, but not necessarily more effective in a street fight, and maybe a style is better in both. I don't want to start any style bashing here, I just want some honest opinions about both styles in two different fighting scenarios.

I find those fees extremely high. My judo classes cost roughly $ 200 (Canadian! approx $140-150 US) for 4 months. And the wing chun classes I attended before cost me $300 (CA) for 6 months. So $115 for a month plus belt grading fees is extremely high.

Best striking: Muay Thai Takedowns: Judo Submission: BJJ Ground: BJJ Grapple: Judo Toughest training: Today: Muay Thai Old days: Kung Fu/Karate Complete style: Possibly Kempo I'm not reffering to MMA here only traditional MA

Thanks for the input guys, but can anyone tell me if it would be better for me to stay in Judo and perfect my art until I stop doing martial arts (probably early 30s - 5-6 years), or change in two years time to Wing Chun to see a different aspect of fighting (striking vs. grappling). And no I do not have time to do two martial arts, unfortunately. In other words is it better to heavily specialize (obtain black belt) in one art (Judo) or to try multiple arts (Judo, Wing Chun) to experience other aspects of fighting. By the way, since starting Judo I really like it, it's quite fun, I like the fightning that's involved in it. Thanks again guys for the input.

Up here in Canada, especially in the province of Quebec, Nick Cerio's Kenpo is a very popular martial art. I'd like to have some feedback on it. How is it different from other Kenpo schools? Is it street effective? What does it focus on primarily? etc. I've looked all over the forum for some information on this martial art but there seems to be none. Can anyone say something about it. Thanks

Ok, well would Wing Chun be a good complement to Judo to fill in its weaknesses. I did a few months of Wing Chun before moving here and I liked it. My plans are to move back there in 2 years so perhaps I could do 2 years of Judo here, and take on Wing Chun when I move back. What do you guys think? Or should I only concentrate on Judo and get proficient at it since I'm starting it here? Feedback would be appreciated. Thanks

Great post Gumbi, you really seem to know a lot about Judo and you have informed me a lot. I have just returned from my first Judo class and I can say I enjoyed it a lot -except for my broken toe nail ouch! - but like you said when you spar chances are you will get hurt sometimes. I really do think I will continue doing Judo especially since you guys in general seem to say it IS street effective even against strikers. I know you need to enjoy what you are learning, but It's much more fun to learn something you know might be useful in real life.

Good point. I heard many people injure themselves practicing Judo. I've decided to take Judo because there aren't many martial arts where I live. There's Judo, Nick Cerio's Kenpo, TKD, Shotokan Karate, Oyama Karate, and that's about it. I thought Judo might be the most interesting street wise and the most realistic because of its heavy sparring - perhaps I was wrong. Well I'm going try it tonight for the first time since this week it's free so I'll see how it goes. More posts would be appreciated if anyone has something to say. Thanks.

Oh I see. Perhaps Judo may be good against your average street fighter, but maybe not against a trained striker. Interesting.

Ok, thanks Shorinryu Sensei, nice to see a different point of view of Judo's drawbacks. Probably harder than it seems to get hold of your opponent.

Thanks for your input Gumbi, nice to know that Judo is worth learning as a self defense system and not only as a sport. More feedback would be appreciated, thanks!!

I'm new to this forum and I'd like to have some opinions concerning a martial art. I'm about to begin Judo and I was wondering how good is it when applied in a real street confrontation where you have to defend yourself. Is it useful against good strikers? Is it effective against your average street fighter whose simply looking for a bar fight? Thanks for your input.