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Hung-Sing Choy Lay Fut, but trying to teach myself some Buk Sing theories and moves.

Yep, we do have bridging. Swinging fists with bridging creates a very devastating style, different from both Hung Kuen and Northern Longfist.

WC was made by a girl anyways. Hence, how we CLF guys made fun of WC people back in the 70s - calling their art "girl hands." No offense btw just a random fact.

Umm. . . . I do Choy Lay Fut, and it's definitely a Southern Longfist style.

Not true!!! CLF is better!!! Just kidding lol. All three are good. Although I'd like to see Baji vs. Hung Gar, those bridges HG have are pretty nasty too. I'd like to see them put up against Baji's close-range attacks.

That's what makes CLF so dangerous. It's essentially an advanced and precise version of wild swings coupled with conditioned forearms, elbows, knuckles etc. Now, onto the question - From a personal point of view based on my MA, I would swing back. But if you were a Karateka or something, I would look for an opening, block/evade, move in, and proceed to destroy.

dingyuan - I'll answer that since I'm the only one who does CLF here lol. . . . The Sao Choy is like a haymaker on crack. Haymakers are usually unbalanced, huge, slow swings that expose your entire body and leaves you extremely prone to fast, powerful attacks. Plus, it's like a hook, punching with your knuckles. The Sao is quite different. The structure of the normal Sao requires the bow stance, with the arm thrown in a huge, diagonal curve. The striking surface is the entirety of the forearm. Think of the Thai roundhouse, but with the arm. . . . . kinda. . . . . (bad analogy i'm sorry). So it's basically a roundhouse punch. The Sao is very much so a long-ranged attack. HOWEVER, I personally have used it for blocking as well as striking. Also, with the Sao as your striking arm hits, the other arms motions down to block any possible incoming attacks. So, simply speaking, it's a very advanced haymaker lol. Actually, elbows are a good way for trying to block against this, although I must advise you to have a strong stance, or else get crushed. Peace

Yes. . ... . that's the whole philosophy of CLF fighting anyways. . ..

CMA takes alot of thinking to get it right. That's why the meditation helps. Sometimes I'm shown a technique, and I say WTF?!?!? 1 week later, "OMG I get it!!!"

What's the chin block??? I've never heard of it. Forgive my ignorance.

You're a NOOB. I know of harder Thai boxers and hard CLF guys, I know ppl from either style who could crush others of the opposing style. I would've said the same thing if you said CLF would crush everything else too. Nothing has it all. . ... . there are differences, but it all comes down to the level of the practitioner. Then you'll probably have to worry about CLF even more with Baji Quan. CLF is a southern longfist style. . . . . . we can fight close if we want to, but our speciality lies in smashing your guard and body from far away. As to Muay Thai, I also think their low kicks are my biggest problems. We don't kick very often in CLF; my question to Thai boxers if how do you counter the low kick??? Thanks I really appreciate any replies. As for this discussion it's long quite well. . . . . . neither a flame war nor a style basher. Peace.

Is the center gate elbow a level elbow strike while sliding into an opponent in horse stance???

5 Animal . . . . Tiger, Leopard, Crane, Snake, Dragon. They are supposed to go together in the Five Animal Form. . . . . .

The range for the Sao Choy is typically very long. The striking area is the inside of the forearm. Getting hit in the head with a good one is almost a guarantee KO. . . . The longfist techniques of CLF has many variations too. For example, the Kup is like the Sao, except that the thumb is resting at the side, and the striking area is the foreknuckles (closed) all the way to the underside of the forearm, while the Deng Choy is usually thrown more vertically up/down, and the foreknuckles are folded in the "leopard paw" and can still "cut" the opponent if you miss with the forearms. The Biu Jong is not a downward roundhouse smash, but rather an diagonally upward, outward strike with the knuckles, forearms, or like a hammerfist but with the top of the fist rather than the bottom.

Ali I'm a little confused by your point. . . . sorry. . . are you saying I will hit their elbow, or mine??? I'm not worried about hitting anything hard with the Sao personally. . . all that forearm conditioning has to pay off sometime.

Hmmm. . . . . similar, but not exactly the same (as we are experts in the spinning Gwa Choy - backfist). If i'm fighting normal stance (not southpaw), and I jab with my left, followed by a huge Sao Choy while spinning towards the direction I'm hitting - a full 360 degrees. The area of impact is everything from the skull, neck to collarbone and shoulders. Or, we can do it the not so fun way by simply doing a Sao from a bow stance - not as cool looking, but still powerful nontheless.

Hmm. . . OK, I think I may have been too up in my head to say they are of the same power, but I wouldn't really know until I've calculated both using physics. . . . force, momentum, kinetic energy etc. So yeah. . . . . but the reason that I say that is because with the Sao Choy, the entire body weight is also behind it. I know that's what the roundhouse is supposed to be as well, but with the Sao there is also that centripetal force from the spinnin, as well as gravitational force. But one thing's for sure: They both hurt like hell. Peace.

Another thing. I never meant this to be a MT vs. CLF thread. . .... I was just asking if someone who does one of the respective styles have sparred against the other, and how that went.

I don't have a car, nor a license for that matter. But when I do get a car/license tho, I'll definitely try to make it if possible. So you guys learn WC and MT??? Interesting mix.

Meh, I've never been on the recieving end of a Thai roundhouse, but I have been from a Sao Choy (giant haymaker forearm bash). IT HURTS. No again like I said, I never said CLF was "better" than Muay Thai in any way.

OK, I do CLF. But I have ungarnered respect for Muay Thai as well. . . . I love both arts. However, I've never sparred against a Thai boxer before, although I REALLY want to, to test my limits against one of the most brutal forms of MA. CLF to me is extremely brutal as well, with all that damned conditioning we do, and I would hardly call the MT shin roundhouse stronger than our Sao Choy forearm KO strikes. So, if there are CLF or MT fighters on here who has fought against each respective style, please post and tell me of the results, how it went, what you did etc. Peace.

Tai Chi did not originate in the Shaolin Temple, therefore it is NOT "Shaolin Kung Fu," like the majority of styles we do (CLF, HG, SPM, WC etc).

In CLF, we use open left palm, closed right fist. They touch, but the left palm is not wrapped around the right fist. In Hung Gar they do it very similarly, except the fist and palm are like a foot away from each other, not touching.

I doubt most KK schools train as hard as most Muay Thai schools, but some will argue with me.

I hope you're not imply that CLF is ineffective in any way are you??? I hope you don't take my question the wrong way I'm not angry just curious. Do you find the style ineffective, or philosophically not to your liking??? Thanks.