judoguy

Your exactly right, it's not a reverse triangle it's a variation of yoko sankaku jime or scissors choke. With this choke you don't need the persons arm to serve as the aid for the choke because the crook of the back of your knee is the base and your lower leg and calf region put the pressure on the carotid in effect making it like a naked choke with the leg. It can be apllied from several positions in combination with an armbar for a really nasty effect. http://judoinfo.com/images/yokosankaku.gif

In a straight up grappling match Kyuzo Mifune (Pound for pound the greatest judoka of all time) would bust Rickson's *. Not in an MMA match though. In a grappling or an MMA match Masahiko Kimura (who in judo circles is regarded as the second best judoka of all time) would bust Rickson's *. As for Rickson fighting worked matches, that is something that people have suspected for along time. This stuff goes back to before the UFC even started. I don't belive it personally, BUT I will say that Rickson had a chance to silence all his doubters if he would have stepped up and faced Sakaruba after he pounded Royler, Renzo, Royce and Ryan. He didn't step up so it kind of gives the doubters ammo to throw at him. Not sayin' it's fair, but that's the perception. As for strikers Mas Oyama would do extremly well as he is one of the only karate fighters to go to thailand and repeatedly deafeat thai boxers under thai rules. today's fighters don't train like Oyama's students did. Most karate stylists in the 60's and 70's trained extremly hardcore. I'm talking about full contact kicks to the knee, bare knuckle punches to the face and head, and full power knee strikes. One of the reason's I choose to train in judo back then was because I had visted a karate dojo and witnessed this stuff. A guy was trying to earn his blackbelt so he had to fight 5 blackbelts full contact with no protection for 5 minutes each with no break in between. He kicked his first opponent so hard in the leg that the guy's knee gave completely out...And then kept on going to the next match! After that I decided I never wanted to train in karate EVER! But in this modern era of law suits you will never get that kind of training, so I guess I would train ini the watered down karate of today

Because of international competitions judo and sambo are so closely intertwined now that you would be hard pressed to find a judoka who doesn't know some sambo and a samboist who doesn't know some judo.

Against the average st rip mall karateka boxers win hands down. Boxers have some of the best conditioning in all of Martial artists. Think about fighting 12 3 minute rounds. Your stamina would have to be incredible. Boxers timing and reflexes are great because of the TRAINING METHODS. It's not always about full contact sparring either because boxers rarely do it up until a fight. It's all about bag work, building stamina, working combinations, and strategy. The average karate dojo isn't doing this. Some serious dojo's do it. A few Kempo dojo's do it, and all Kyokushin dojo's do it.

i'm not sure i understand your comment. You've never seen them applied, or never seen them work when applied? I have seen them attempted to be applied in real combat by high ranking practitioners but they alway's have failed against a decent attacker. I don't mean to be rude or anything and I certainly am not bashing the aesthetic appeal that these arts have. I do however question there combat proficency. Certainly there are exceptions and I'm sure there are some really good wing chun and choy li fut stylists out there, but in my experience I have never seen them applied successfully on the streets or in a controlled envoirnment. I know that this is a sensitive subject for most people who do these arts but I have to be as honest as possible when someone asks for my opinion about a certain style of unarmed combat. Lots of people have been tricked into beliving they are learning an effective martial art only to get beat down in a real conflict. It's a shame that in the year 2004 people still fall for these MA scams but they do. Some may be able to make a style like bugua zang work, but I choose to master a martial art that gave me good combat skills in a short period of time because of my profession. I don't have time to develope my ki for 7 years before I can learn to fight. I develope my "KI" through hard physical training and mental preparation. This often includes weight training, calistenics, running, proper diet, and full contact randori. Also through tai chi, scenerio training, and case studies. These are the things that make a successful combat martial artist.

Oh and by the way there are some excellent styles of Kung fu out there. Shuai chiao, Bajiquan and hun gar being the best IMO. Only because I have seen these styles actually work against a resisting opponent. Other styles like wing chun or choy li fut I have never seen work under any circumstance.

What most people mean when they say kung fu has alot of useless stuff is that the training in most of the styles focuses much too heavily on theatrics. One guy in a previous post said that a instructor made someone he knew do stances for 4 years before teaching him anything related to combat. That is ridiculously silly. A lot of kung fu styles are superfluous in the since that you spend too much time on things that don't even remotely resemble combat such as lion dancing and the like. A thai boxer, western boxer, kyokushin, BJJ , or judo practitioner spend more time developing the timing, power, accuracy, and principals needed to thrive in a live combat situation. Some people make the argument that martial arts are not just about fighting which is true.They are about developing mental and spiritual character though hard work and hard contact. But let us not forget that combat is the essential part of martial arts and if you loose that focus then they become less martial and more art.

Muay thai or boxing. Judo or shuai chiao are good too.

In a match I agree, in the streets no freakin' way. I'll take my chances with someone trying to punch me out. Notice that I said TRYING to punch me out because obviously if you get choked out or knocked out you're still out. And on the streets that is very bad news indeed.

Well since bjj seems to be well represented in this disscussion I will recommend some judo books. The books I am recommending are essential reading for any body doing judo or any of it's offspring. 1) "The canon of Judo" by Kyuzo Mifune. Widely considerd by most to be the most skillful Judoka of all time. This book is focused on judo techniques that have been all but forgotten since judo became an olympic sport. It cover the various guard positions and their passings, leg locks, throws, chokes, and more. It contains a huge section on ground grappling making it a must have. 2)"A-Z of Judo" by Syd Hoare. Written by 7th Dan British Judoka Syd Hoare, this book is often referred to as the Judo bible. A staggering number of techniques are catalogued ; Roughly, 100 throws and takedowns, 20 pins, 30 arm locks, 40 chokes, 7 leg locks, 7 neck & spine locks, and 3 wrist locks. Making probably THE definitive collection of both traditional and modern Judo techniques. 3)"Judo in action" by Kazuzo Kudo. This book is divided into two books actually. Judo in action:throws, and judo in action: ground fighting. Another hard to find classic (some copies run upwards of 70 bucks) but well worth the expense. Hope this helps.

I now the place. Walter Michalowski runs that gym. He's a cool guy from what i've heard. As for the BJJ guy's being a pain so what else is new?Who runs the BJJ studio By the way?

You want to get together and catch up? Maybe roll a little? I enjoyed toying with you.

Hang in there bud, I think I heard that LAPD is getting ready to start hiring again and so is the Orange county sheriffs department. As for your question about ROF I have no idea what happened. I guess they didn't have enough students to keep that building, you know that rent in arcadia is expensive as hell. Not to many Taekwondo/hapkido guy's trained as hard as they did so I guess it was hard to convert new mcdojang types to full contact training. Still studying japanese jujitsu I see. I don't know why you still waste your time with that . You are pretty good though .

I'll be a monkey's uncle! Whats up dude? I haven't heard form you since forever, what have you been up to and how is your knee doing?

Interesting that you know my name since I didn't include it in my bio. Where do I know you from?

When you guys/gals where taught grappling for the first time did your instructor put emphasis on techniques or a set of principals that underline the technique. Or was it a combo of both?

Hey don't mention it. In a situation like that there are so many nuances that one would have to pray for a nearly perfect set of circumstances to beat the wrap in a court of law. And even then there is still the chance of a lesser charge such as involuntary manslaughter or something like it that a prosecuter will try to pin on you if he/she is determined enough. A good set of circumstances would be if the victim( for lack of a better term) had a criminal history of violent behavior. If the witness(s) saw the altercation from start to finish, and if you DON'T have a criminal background. And even still with all of that, choking someone to death would be extremly hard to justify.

Interesting topic. I'll add my 2 cents in. I'm a cop and I can tell you that you'd have a much better chance of pleading your case in court if you hit someone and they fall and die vs choking someone to death. But please be forewarned that in both circumstances you will be taken to jail on the spot and you had better pray that 2 or more witnesses can colaberate your version of the story or you are toast.