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Weird! I'm pretty sure that I wrote this thread in the General Chat. I just spend 5 minutes trying to find this thread. Eventhough it ain't 3D, I still think IK+ (International Karate +) for Amiga is the alltime best fighting game ever.

Well, i felt it prudent to indicate what it is about, since you were purporting it incorrectly in your query. I mean, without a proper base to initiate a conversation, you're not going to get a proper analysis, and thus not a proper set of results to your queries. Your right. But this thread is only about the translation of the name Jeet Kune Do, and about what Wing Chun is mostly about. Not what Jeet Kune Do is about, only the name.

That makes sense. How much kicking especially high kicks is in Tai Chi Yang style?

Okay, so the 3D Fighting game series are Tekken, Dead or Alive, Virtua Fight, and Mortal Kombat. There are others of cause but I don't recall their names. I like Tekken for having more story and debt to the individual characters. I like Dead or Alive for the visual realism and the best Bruce Lee imitation yet with the Jann Lee character. I like Mortal Kombat partly because of the way they block attacks and the weapon feature, but it could have been done a lot better. I prefer Virtua Fighter though for it's general realism. The fighting system has more debt to it, and finally a fighting game that use motion capture. A feature all fighting games should use, but don't. I however play them all. What do you think of the fighting games out there, which are your favorit, and why?

If your question is about where the power of One-inch-punch is coming from, then it's from you stance and rotation. There are also something with how your hand is being used when punching. We trained One-inch-punch in Shaolin, and that was for showing how important it is to use your stance correctly, and rotate downwards in the stance when punching. I'm under the impression that there are several ways to do this punch. We learned to do it with an open hand. I can't explain it better than that since I never really practiced it very much.

Best reply I have read in this post mate.

no it is not. fighting the shoalin way is nothing like fighting the wing chun way. The very reasoning behind wing chun is that it is first and foremost, UNLIKE traditional shaolin styles. My teacher who trained WC before Shaolin told me that WC is a way to go through the Shaolin system in a quick, easy and clumsy way. But I guess that was just a fools opinion. I take the "Compaq demo version" statement back. and? i know quite a lot of forms from other chinese styles and as much as i train them, I will never claim to know them properly beyond the form itself. Learning a style is a lot more than just doing the form. Sure you can practice the forms as much as you like but that doesn't actually equate to much. I think you missed this part. Meaning I would like to have a teacher who can improve my stance, punches and kicks. The WT teachers can't do that. Don't take this offensive, but I have quoted my posts, explained my explanations, and referred to something I wrote in another reply, to people who missed that part I wrote, a lot now. Is it me? Do I write cryptic? chi sau isn't anything special and in my opinion, too much emphasis is put on it over the other training exercises. It is just an exercise. If what you were doing previously was a traditional shaolin style/school then you'd already have your own versions of such exercises. So if I already practice Shaolin, I have no use for WT? Is that what you are saying? because techniques aside, they both deal with the same issues. Issues like what? issues like WT almost only deal with hands and are standing strait up, and Capoeira almost only deal with Leg's and are down on the floor? I never said it was a bad choice, I just feel that a mixed style is a better choice...just my opinion If you take Tai Chi it could greatly compliment your WT training so go for it. My only real advice is to take a system to "compliment" your WT training, not contradict and conflict it. Why will Tai Chi compliment the WT training?

There ain't a WT/WC school close enough for me to consider it, other than this one. I do not want a Japanese art, nor Korean. I don't want a mixed art either. I do not know exactly how to take your advice since WT is almost a compac demo version of Shaolin. Why is Tai Chi not a good Choice? that's not what you originally said. your first post said that you wanted a style to compensate for the "minuses" in wing chun, specifically more stances and high kicks. No I didn't say it in the first post, but I did say it in the second. Here it is: I already know two forms in Shaolin, aswell as many techniques, stances and kicks from it that I can train myself. But I would still like to develop those Skills from Shaolin, and I think I will need a competent teacher for that. I want to train WT because of it being so different, quickly effective, and because of Chi Sao. Why would you say Capoeira is the better choice? Not that I disagree with you. I just wonder why.

Quoted from a screentest with Bruce Lee for The Green Hornet. Lee said I quote "Well...a Karate punch is like an ironbar, whaaam! A Gung Fu punch is like an ironchain with an ironball attached to it, and it go WHAAAM! And it hurts on the inside." What would you say is the general difference?

I second that, but I think I'll be a bit more constructive in my criticism Train in Wing Chun/Tsun and focus on it. Don't just do it every once in a while, and take something else that completely contradicts the theories presented in you Wing Tsun class. Instead of becomming good at both, you'll merely be mediocre at best with both and will most likely frustrate yourself. If you're training to straight up fight and want to work on everything, I'd say drop the Wing Tsun and find a JKD or MMA school. If you're training for the art, and want a deeper understanding of how to better yourself as a martial artist than the typical "I wanna brawl" MMA type guys then I'd say pick something you like and want to learn and stick with it for at least a few years. I second your opinion, train only in one style to become really good at it. or find a style to fight instead of art. As I have said already. I can no matter what only train WT once a week. And I have three days where I can do what I want. Since I can't get better at WT than I already do, no matter what, I might aswell train something on the other days where there is no WT practice.

Theres a difference between having elements of interception and having interception as a main part. Hung gar is one of them if I'm not mistaking. He didn't call it Jun Fan JKD. JKD is being taught still as it was originally before Lee's back injury. That teaching is called Jun Fan Jeet Kune Do, to indicate that it's the original JKD. And I think JKD is a style no matter how much he wanted it not to be. It is being taught as a style too. The later JKD right before Lee died, it was a philosophy, but before the back injury it was a style. And another thing. This thread is NOT about what Jeet Kune Do is about. Nor about Lee's life. I have already stated this before. I do know what JKD is about, and this is not about that.

But I can only train Wing Tsun friday. They train Tuesday aswell, but I can't that day. I have monday and wensday to train too, but there ain't no WT those days. So I can practice another style those days. And I don't train only for fighting. Mostly because of the art itself, so a mixed MA is not something I want.

One-inch-punch and alike. We had that in Shaolin aswell. One of the student's told me that when Shifu demonstrated One-inch-punch on him, it felt like his intestines was being beaten. He could still feel it two days after. I'm not sure if he exaggerated a bit. We do not stop the punch when it hit's the muscles and skin. It keeps going. putting your shoulders, hips, stance, and overall body into it, you channel more power than if you just use your arm. And Wing Chun isn't the only style where you punch on weak points such as solar-plexus. Western Boxing does that too, among other areas. And Shaolin punch on all kinds of weak points, like neck (on different areas on the neck), jaw, eyes, solar-plexus, in fact almost all weak points on the body. When using the body to punch, you also have longer range than if you only punch with your arm. The last Wing Tsun teacher I met was a fool. He gave me the penetration, WT punch, my dad can beatup your dad speach. He had misunderstood how punching works from other fighting styles. He also said that if you punch like other styles, you only hit on the skin and muscles. He showed what he meant too. And it only made him a bigger fool than he was before. Going strait through solar plexus with the punch, not stopping at the surface, isn't only in WC. But I might have misunderstood you. Will you tell me in detailes why you think WC punches penetrate more than other styles please?

He's not my Shifu. I think he is the Shishu. Well, I wont have this problem anymore. I do not train there anymore, unfortunatly. I'm really gonna miss it. And I don't think I can be directed to a trainer on the Chinese forum here. I'm from Denmark. I will just have to go look myself. Thank you for the help.

Kicks and punches are not MA tactics or philosophies. They are only weapons. Intercepting attacks is a tactic, not a weapon. They can't be compared. Saying "This is the style where we use kicking and punching", is not the same as saying "This is the style where we use interception". They are two totally different categories. The first is reusing weapons or tools. The second is reusing an idea. You misunderstood. It was a metaphor. Wing Chun is special for being a style for intercepting. But JKD was viewed as revolutionary for partly dealing with interception. The name JKD indicate that this is the revolutionary method that unlike all other styles, deals with intercepting. But since that is already WC's philosophy it was kind of stolen. I mean that JKD was partly being revolutionary by taking the credit from an already existing idea. But this is only what it looks like to me.

I don't understand why you talk about a penetrative punch and none penetrative punch. European boxing, wing chun, shaolin, Tai Chi...whatever, penetrates when punching. It's not like they only punch on the surface. The punch doesn't stop when it hit's the skin. It keeps going. It's not only WC that penetrates when punching.

I'm starting Wing Tsun now. It seems like a great style. And I can use what I learn. But it's too restricted to be the only style I practice. So I will have to practice another style aswell. I used to study northern Shaolin, but now it will cost me about $40 with the train every time, so that's not possible anymore. I will sorely miss it. So now I need to find another style that is good for training side-by-side with Wing Tsun. I don't want to end up using Wing Tsun only when in a fight. I want to fight by mixing the two styles. So far the choices I want to choose between is Tai Chi Quan and Capoeira Angola (everything else is Japanese and Korean Styles. I don't like those). I figured I need to train something with more stances and different high kicks to compensate for the minuses of Wing Tsun. I think both Tai Chi and Capoeira has this. Well at least high kicks. I'm not too sure of either of these are "perfect" for me. Tai Chi takes years before I can really put it into fighting techniques (or so I've heard). And Capoeira, well...I don't intend to dance around or move on the floor when in a fight. I intent to stand up strait use my fists and and feet, when fighting. I can't really see how Capoeira can work well with Wing Tsun since they are so different. What do you think?

Thats not what I'm talking about either. As I wrote before I know that JKD is very different from other arts, and that there was a hell lot more to it than simple intercepting. All I'm talking about is that he stole the name. As the name say. "This is the way to intercept your opponents attack with one of your own". But that was already used in another style. Know what I'm saying? I'm saying that it was wrong to name it JKD since that name was already taken, in a way.

It's called Tao of Gung Fu. I never really read that one. I only read Tao of Jeet Kune Do

I do know what JKD is about. This isn't about that. What I was referring to was Jun Fan Jeet Kune Do. I was talking about Jun Fan Jeet Kune Do was special for partly being a method of Intercepting. But how can it be special when it's already the method of Wing Chun. All I'm saying is that it looks to me like Mr. Lee took an old idea and packed it in a new pretty bag and said "This is my new idea, come and have a look".

Bruce Lee's philosophy is about intercepting the opponents attack with an attack of ones own, with directness. But isn't that the Wing Chun philosophy as well?

How do I develop the internal power in the Shaolin movements? When my teacher teach us to do a hook etc. He just show how it's done by doing it, and telling us to do the same as he do. So we do the movement by changing the stance and swing the arm at the same time, in a circular movement. Then we will do that for two minutes or so. He doesn't teach us how to use our breath right when punching. Or how it should feel in the arm, the shoulders, chest or anything like that. And this is how it's been for me ever since I started (about 2 years). One of the students, who have been training there for over 8 years, say that it takes years to get proper power. So I will learn it at some point I guess. But I want to get a headstart, just to make sure that I will learn it. So can anyone help with this? How do I develop Chi in Northern Shaolin?

Thanks

I can't watch it. My realplayer sucks.

So can they match the power of European Boxing, Tai Chi and Shaolin?