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A Northern Shaolin style. It's white dragon fist. Hmm... actually that one is mostly a southern style, with a strong northern kenpo influence, and an even stronger Japanese/Okinawan martial arts influence. I had to do a little research, but it was an interesting read. A hybrid system that was developed by grandmaster Daniel Pai, in Hawaii, who was an extraordinary practitioner in his own right. Seems his system also influenced the development of kajukenbo. /tangent off ...Perhaps it's not White Dragon Fist anyway...I don't know. Maybe, maybe not. It's called Long Quan Pai. The legend is about a white dragon. It's not a very wellknown style.

I dont care if it's a WC punch I do or not. I just want to punch in the most effective way I can in the individual stances. A Northern Shaolin style. It's white dragon fist.

What?...I'm pretty sure that thats what I have been taught in WT. They are quite cryptic in some of the things they say, but I thought I had gotten this right. Handwise only. Not stance and bodystructure talk included. What is a Wing Chun punch?

I have seen Shaolin Soccer plus clips of Kung Fu Hustle. It's like going back to the start of the Chinese film industry. These films are exactly the same as they were thirty years ago. It's the same boring humor, the same unrealistic fighting, and the same unprofessional acting. I'm exaggerating of cause, but it's definitely not far from the truth. If you like to go to the circus and look at clowns, you will see the same thing only with unrealistic Martial Arts. I don't like Shaolin Soccer, and I don't like clowns.

I wasn't referring to the stance and all that. This is all about the arm and fist techniques. I was talking about doing the exact same movements in the Shaolin forms, but in this case throw the punch with the elbow instead. Throwing the arm all the way out the WC way, with a relative loose arm and fist. In Shaolin we held the punch right before the elbow said "click", and we did it with a hard arm and fist.

Why not?

If I'm not mistaken, I believe that the Drunken Fist styles are referred to as Drunken Boxing among other names in the English/American "language". And I wasn't trying to use an English dictionary to find a Chinese word. I was putting a Chinese name into an English category. KungFuLuvva...about that Jab, WC punch business. When I was asking about what was the most powerful punch, I wasn't referring to the jab in boxing. The jab is more of an "icebraker" than a damage dealer. I was talking about the normal strait punch (I believe it's called a cross) and hook they use.

In Wing Tsun I learn to streach my arm all the way out when punching. Normally I punch with the hand, but now I punch with the elbow (hitting with the fist of cause), and not tightening my fist completely. When practicing my Shaolin forms, will it then be a good idea to use the same punch in a way? I mean letting the arm go all the way out, punching with the elbow and a looser arm when doing the shaolin strait punch etc.

You can't judge the Northern Shaolin's fighting capabilities by looking at it's forms. Do you judge a Capoeira fighters fighting capabilities on the dancing you see? No.

That hardly explains why Kung Fu isn't boxing. Just because the two styles doesn't use the same way of punching doesn't mean that both of them can't be called boxing. I found a definition of the word boxing in Dictionary.com..."To hit with the hand or fist"... It doesn't speak of Hooks or straight punches. In many movies like "Legend of the Drunkenmaster" they called the style "Drunkenboxing". In "Way of the Dragon" they called Kung Fu for "Chinese boxing".

Northern Shaolin should be exstremely deadly in the long run. It's one of those styles where you become an effective fighter after many years of training. A longtime Shaolin student should be very effective against other Martial Artists I have heard. I do not know very much about Choy lee fut either, other than they do a lot of "Swinging" arm-movements. Overpowered Hooks and Uppercuts. Wing Chun is as mentioned before very effective in street fights. And it's easy to become competent quickly in fighting with WC. But I have heard that it's not as effective in VS battles against Martial Artists of different styles such as Northern Shaolin. My former Shixiong told me that he had been up against a few WC practitioners, and beat them all fairly easy. But he has probably exaggerated. I'd say, if you are in it for being able to defend yourself effective in a fight. Go for Wing Chun. If you want more than just that and study the art of it, go for Northern Shaolin. For being able to use what you learn fairly effective and correct in a fight, I think it's like this. in Wing Chun, It's about 1 years time I think. In Northern Shaolin it will take you about 4-5 years.

Thank you! I find it very interesting. In a way it's very different from Shaolin, and in another way it seems like a simple pathway through the Shaolin system. Some of WT's techniques are Shaolin moves that are used in a "wrong" way, at least wrong from a Shaolin point of view. I now know why they call WC a complete system. It's a very systematic training, and the training is almost in a schedule. I do however find the movements very unnatural. Especially the way you move in the stance. I have also just found out that I'm ahead of the others on my level. On next Tuesday the Grandmaster (at least I think it was Grandmaster. He is the best in Denmark anyway) of Denmark is coming on a visit to train us. I'm looking forward to that. All in all, I really like it. [EDIT] He-hey! Blue belt! *congratulating himself*

oh my lord no lol....its quite teh opposite of what your thinking. infact western boxing punches are more like pushes. when a boxer punches a hanging punching bag, it swings and sways from side to side, when you hit the bag wing chun style...it stays in place, all the pushing power is erased. instead of swaying, the bag should actually vibrate wiht intense explosive power. totally different than boxing punches, no push in it at all, the demo's u see of the one inch punch are done in a fashion so that the participant isnt harmed. theres tons of threads on this topic, research a bit around here, and u'll find some great ones. Then perhaps I wasn't using the proper word. I'm not talking about punching into a bag. I'm talking about when you "walk into" the opponent and takes his place while punching him in the upper body. That's how the WC punch is powerful right? Because if you do not punch through by walking into the opponent, but hit from the same distance as boxing without moving into the opponent, then the WC punch is fairly weak compared to boxing. And another thing. All fistfighting styles are Boxing if I'm not mistaking. Like Chinese Boxing(Kung Fu) and Western or European Boxing.

Thanks. I don't really know. Have only been to four lessons.

I see your point. Hung Gar is shaolin too, isn't it? Bruce Lee trained much more than just Kung Fu. He also trained Karate, aikido, Judo and some other styles.

I now know how a Wing Chun punch works. I have to say that it's A LOT different from what I'm used to from Boxing and Shaolin. It's almost like a push more than an actual punch. Well it's a very interesting style.

I can't go to the Shaolin school anymore. Thats the problem. I can't afford it. Tell me. Is there a way to use Wing Chun alongside with Shaolin in a fight, without loosing the power in the Wing Chun techniques? I can see how I can use sidekick but what else? How can I use both systems effectively in a fight? I seem to recall reading that Jackie Chan have studied both Hung Gar and Wing Chun. I wonder how he make use of both systems in a fight.

No. It's because I can't afford the trip anymore. I do not pay for the training, but the train ticket to the school and back is about $50. So now I'm training Wing Tsun close to where I live.

I got the TKD info on https://www.ChuckNorris.com. The Japanese MA in the film said something like this to Chuck right before Chuck taught him a lesson. It sounded something like this "who ta tu Karate bigger than Japanese." It was translated with something like this, "who is better at Karate than the Japanese." Chucks student referred to Chuck as Sensei, which is only used in Japanese schools I believe. Tang Soo Do doesn't look Japanese. Both Chuck Norris and the student and the Japanese was wearing Karate uniforms too. Bruce Lee knew Karate and could have instructed Chuck in Karate moves. Another thing is that Bruce Lee was using Jeet Kune Do when he was portrait to use Gung Fu. Just as he has done in all his films. So Chuck Norris could of cause also use his own style and still have it referred to as Karate. But I'm not saying that it was Karate he used in the film. Not anymore atleast. What I'm saying is that the audience was meant to think it was Karate. From what i understood, he gleaned it off of The Art of War. I have read it from Tao of Jeet Kune Do I think, or it might have been in Tao of Gung Fu aswell. It was something like this... Yip Man told Lee that he should "be like water", and then skip the WC lesson for the day to go and meditate on this. Lee then went to the water, I think it was in a boat. He got frustrated (I think) and then punched the water, and then he realized what his Sifu meant. Who said anything about doing that? I have only seen the film a few times, because it's a movie I like. The info I have stated about it, is something that was shown quite obvious through the course of the movie. Relax, I was posing a disclaimer, not an inference. I didn't mean it to sound aggressive.

Have I ever said that?

It was told that they started Karate because of the thug's. Who said anything about doing that? I have only seen the film a few times, because it's a movie I like. The info I have stated about it, is something that was shown quite obvious through the course of the movie. You seem to be the entirely opposite. It sounds like you are an anti Bruce Lee. He was portrayed as a master of Karate in the movie. In real-life he has an 8th degree Black Belt in Tae Kwon Do. He might have been pracicing Tang Soo Do aswell, I don't know. He is a six-time undefeated Karate Champion. The last one sounds to me like he also knows Karate. But anyway, I don't care. I don't like the guy on the screen. I think he's boring to watch. The point is that he did Karate in Way of the Dragon. Alot speaks of the water as though it was Bruce Lee who invented this concept. It was Yip Man who told him of this concept. Surprise surprise

That's not what I meant. I was talking about meditation and all that stuff. The Chinese MA schools here in Denmark do not care about this. The Japanese and Korean MA schools do however care and do practice it. Since I'm a Christian, I want to stay away from Buddhism and all that. Therefore I will only go for Chinese styles because they don't do stuff like that.

Way of the Dragon. His second best film I think. You forget something. That movie was partly to show his art of Jeet Kune Do. And in that movie, those waiters were supposed to have just started their Karate training when the thug's started to harass the restaurant. Lee was supposed to have studied for a long time, so it's only natural that he would be a better fighter than the waiters. And in the film Bruce Lee said this about Karate: "foreign or not, if it helps you when you are in a fight, then you should learn to use it. It doesn't matter where it comes from. You should realize that." When he battled Chuck Norris in the last battle, Lee was using Gung Fu and Chuck was using Karate. And because of that Lee was loosing the fight. It was only when he started to use Jeet Kune Do that Chuck got beat up.

Like practicing WC monday and friday, plus practicing Hung Gar wednsday. Is Hung Gar and Wing Chun a good combination to pratice side-by-side? It isn't because of the nationality. It's because I don't like the movements in Japanese and Korean styles, and because there is religious traditions in those schools. The Chinese MA schools in Denmark do not have such traditions. What is BJJ and KM? I see your point.

no offence but I have never encontered anyone who has said this. You yourself say that wing chun is appealing to you because it is so DIFFERENT. make up your own mind. I have no idea what the chinese martial art environment in like where you live but I like to think that I know a thing or two about chinese styles, especially two that I have spent quite a long time training and learning. It's different to me because it is so much simpler than Shaolin. I can see why he can get this opinion of it being a quick way through the Shaolin system, but I don't agree with him. I'm not sure if I can explain why I think it is different. Perhaps it's the philosophy behind it I don't know. one thing that concerns me is that you seem to have a emphasis on doing the fixed things of martial arts i.e lots of forms training, stance training fixed drills etc and I don't hear you talk about actual fighting aspects. while you need someone to show how to do something for the first time, you say that you already KNOW two forms as well as several loose techniques. At this point you don't always need someone to correct you but more importantly, I think you're better of having someone who can spar with you and get you to leanr how to use the things you know. That was what my post was alluding to. Simply knowing how to perform somethign is next to meaningless. That was also what I partly meant. The sparring part I mean. I should have written that. It was only one of the reasons. I see. The choice is more complicated than I thought. Just another thing. Is Wing Chun and Hung Gar a good mix?