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Sorry for saying this, but I failed to see the point. Would it be disrespectful? Or maybe its a matter of oppinion.

You sure did your research well.

I dont want to say I feel sorry(because you mite think its disrespectful), But how bad is that...thing, time, dont you get use to it? Hope Im not to forwarth.

Dont get me wrong. It has some of the cool movement. Butterfly kick, tornado kick ect. but if its a fake art, like the Kung Fu Toa style, then I will not train it. Hung Gar is about to hours drive from where I live. And I dont know if its worth it.

Somone named Peter...something(dont really like him. MA schools is suposed to be like a sekond home, but he hasnt been socialiced). What I meant about what you think about it, was. Noone here knows or have ever heard of this style. And theres only one wepsite with this style, so Im very worried if its any good(a fake instead of a real klassik style, whith fake comersual). There is another school with Hung Gar and many more known shaolin styles, but it in Kobenhagen(a very long drive from where I live).

No thats from a different school. But with the same styles. my teacher studied under him. did you get anything out of the links? what do you think?

yeah, and was it before the backindury? Because after that episode with the back, he became a much better fighter than he ever was before.

Im not a girl myself, but I thoughed this would probebly answer a part of your questionv anyway. The person im bedst friend with at trainig(only at training), is a girl. She loves it just as much as I do(which means I LOVE this). I dont know about her needs but I know we both arent very happy about our teacher. Not to talk about the bedst students there. Their snobs.

because that was my oppinion. what about my shifus oppinion.

Its a typical northern style from the Tang Dynasty. I searched google for one and found these: http://lqp.jay-chou.net/ Dont really know what its about but maybe something http://www.shaolin.dk/dragon.html This is on danish, sorry. Iv found many other links, but there wasnt anything name the name in full. most of them was named long quan, but since theres many dragon boxing styles, I didnt think it was of any use when it wasnt concrete. Thats the bedst I can do. Tell me what you think about it.

I didnt know her named was Caudwell before, so I would have to be sure. Thats good to know

Who is Linda Caudwell!? Lees wife or someone on this forum? I asked if anyone here would have the info, if its a known frase or just something from dragon.

Hmmm...but wouldnt it be kind of respectless of me to call him by another titel, eventhough it means the same? I remember in the wt classes, there was a guy who called the teacher sensei. I was about to say "hey dude. Its sifu. SIFUUU. sensei is japaNESE, and this is CHInese". But I figured. Why not just let the kid. Afterall. In the end, it doesnt matter, because its only tradition.

wow...ALOT of pointy fingeres here. I was wandering about what Batman said, "didn't bruce lee say, "belts only purpose is to hold pants up"". I heard a simulere settence in "Dragon: the bruce lee story". (Starring Jason Scot Lee, not bruce lee). Although It was more like, "the only thing belts are good for, is to hold your pants up". I know that was how bruce looked at it, but, did he really actually say those words?

Noob. Do you know(or could you ask your sifu) if your style has a drunken form? My style has two, but thats just so the students will know what to do if they fight a drunkenboxer. I asked the same question in the Combative Martial Arts topic, but this is the right place so. Is WuShu effective in real selfdeffence situations, and in vs matchs against other systems? I would like everyones(everyone whov seen it or know something about it) oppinion.

Choy Lee Fut is very characterristic for its overpowering upercuts, hocks and other punchmethodes. What Iv seen of it, it has many largh cirkulær punches.

Im not so sure about that. Im not saying its wrong but. We should all be carefuld when to act with violence. Read the part where Simon peter takes his sword and cuts the ear of someone to protect Jesus, and Jesus corrects him for using violence. Even to protect him. Its when Jesus gets bitrayed by Judas, and is being taking away for joughment. But I believe it is also said that we should be willing to die for our brothers. And then again, God says that it is his battle and not ours. Its oviouse a toughy supject, so we should be carefuld not to make a misstake with this.

Todays shaolin monks do shows, also in their temples(read jet lis biografy, an theres a national geografy episode with it). But shaolin in almost al of china has become wushu now...its very difficult to find a school with the origonalclassik shaolin styles.

I know hung gar is a southern style. and it has a very deep horse stance(much simulere to my system). Thats about it. I have some questions. Does it have many fansy high kicks, and acrobatic kicks like say, butterfly, tornado and simulere? Does it have drunken forms and monkey forms? They have broadsword and straitsword but what else? Theres a wushu version of hung gar a long way from where I live, and I would like to know if its worth it(since theres noone here who has heard of my style(long quan pai), and you say it is one of the most respected styles).

""again, we only have one stance and that is the goat stance. you yourself said that you don't use this. so how is it similar?" I may have but, now I have found out that I couldnt. Because I dont know what it looks like. snake stance? We have a stance a little like cat stance. However in this one we go all the way down to the floor, with the forwath leg streched almost completely out, and almost sits on the other leg. Is that what you call a snake stance? I have another guess. Iv seen a stance where you spin down so that your legs gets tangeled up. Something like a mix of a cross stance(atleast I think its called that), and the dragon stance. I would like to know if the goat stance is the one you use in the first section of siu lim tao? "long quan pai? hung quan pai? not that it means anything but i have never heard of these before you mentioned them." Thats very alarming to hear...yal here should know of atleast most styles out there, right? The styles history tells that its been handed down from family to family as a secret style, so that noone could make a counter for it. But if its a style noone has ever heard of by now, then Im beginning to question if its good enough... "anyway. it's quite clear that you know very little about wing chun apart from what you have read in books (which books by the way?)" A book written by someone named Gibson....something. its called "why wing chun works". Another is by one of bruce lees students named james yimm lee. Its called "wing chun kung fu"(very original titel.lol). And the last was a book written by someone which was a student of yip mans son....cant remember the titel. "i think i've given more than enough reasons as to why the things you mentioned aren't similar to wing chun." I believe that to. Many of my friends from my schools tells some, not very nice words about wing chun. But I guess its just the same thingy over again..."my dad is better than your dad" stuff.

""Chi Sao is from pushing hands" nope." Well, then where is it comming from? "wing chun, in a way, ONLY uses the goat stance. the forward/side stance is just the goat stance opened facing a certain direction. it looks like the cat stance but it isn't. as for what you call "mar-bu". again, it looks like this (which i know as a bare stance, not a horse stance) but again, there is fundemental difference. i.e not the same. " What is the fundemental difference? We use it so your opponent cant sweep you, and cant kick you in the jeeppies. And I remember that it was that I was told in wt to. If it has something to do with the internal erfares, then your not alone. As for the bare stance and horse stance. Im not sure if we mean the same thing. Il try and be precice. Your cat stance is the (front)body towards the opponent. right leg almost streched out towards him with the foot toughing the floor, with little weith on it. The otherone is almost below your body, kne pointing towards him and almost all your weith on that one. Am I right? If so, then we bacicly have the same stance. Your horse stance is the one you do in siu lim tao. Right. Because then we have the same to stances in our system. What is bare stance and what is goat stance? "kicks. as i have said, the main thing about wing chun kicks is not what it looks like but how it is done and when you would use a kick." Then how is it done and what do you use it for? "there is a side-kick. (and some have a sort of round kick)" Godt to know "you don't have your bodymass directly behind it. your punch from the shoulder does not have the same quality as the punch from the centre." This is something completely else but, if you could tell me how you would get the bodypower behind your centerline punch, it would be great. "Your parries are much simulere to our crane parries. and others like snake" what ones? please describe." I dont think I can do that so its readable, but il try. If you try to hit me in the face with your fist, I will (maybe) make a circular parrie so that your hand is outside the target. and my snake hand will still rest on your hand(so I can snikeattack you, if you may). My crane would perhaps first go over your fist and the follow it down in a cirkular movement out from target. So in a way im stiking to the opponent. You where right about the mantis hand though. "northern shaolin. that's a bit broad. it would make more sense if you can you give a few names to forms or something that you are doing or have done so that i can have a more useful point of reference?" Long Quan Pai. Its right bellow my belt. I have learned one called "Hung quan pai". I believe its a tiger form(doesnt "hung" means tiger?). I have also learned a five style animal form, I just cant remember the chinese name for it. And then another for graduation, but it went so fast that I couldnt keep up and forgot all about it. "how long have you been training?" For about two years. But I have an injury so I cant train yet. Therefore I read alot about martial arts instead. y'know, this is the first time i've heard anyone who practices a northern style say that wing chun is similar, even in theory, to their style. this includes northern mantis guys." Theres a first time for anything .

"Theres chi sao in both(well at least a little)" "really? where? what style?" Chi Sao is from pushing hands and alike. We have pushing hands. I read in a book of all GF styles that theres chi sao in other styles to. So I asked my teacher if we had it in our style to. He said yes to some extend. He mentioned punching hand and chi sao lookalike...thingy(lol), but I cant really remember the name. So I guess I cant really prove it, so im dropping it here. "granted some things like 'blocks' and parries look similar but they way they are done are not the same. here's a little challenge; try to find the three seeds of wing chun in ANY other chinese kung fu style." Tell me how am I surposed to do that? "same stance? again, show me what other chinese style uses the goat stance as the main training stance." I dont think the goat stance is in others but. When I was at free classes in wt. I noticed that the to basic stances you use are "marbu" and "dimsangu"(hard to spell so it isnt right written Im sure). Marbu is horse stance(the one where your feets are right under your shoulders and facing forward with both the face, body, and feets) Dimsangu is cat stance(the one where you have all your bodyweight on the leg longest away from you enemy, and the other facing your oponents leg barlig touching the floor). Also some of my fellow students has practiced WC before shaolin so theyv shown it to me to. "kicks? again, the kicking in wing chun is very idiosyncratic to wing chun (in relation to chinese styles). again, the other styles that have similar methods/reasons for their use are of the same period and again, only two other styles come to mind." The frontkick is used as an allaround kick. We use our whole foot(unlike other karate styles, and just like I have seen in your style). You place your foot to push him away, you use it to block with, you kick with it to damage him, so whatever you use it for, we use it for. Do you have sidekick and roundhousekick? "animal movements? wing chun does not concerntrate on crane movements. wing chun concerntrates on hand movements. it is kinda based PARTLY on old crane essence but that's as far as it goes. more than anything it is about use of structure." Okay I give you that. "just in case you missed it. i asked you where do you see similarities. don't just give general things like 'punch'. tell me where you see a similar punch being done. same for the kicks and stances and everything else you mentioned." I dont know if this counts but. We have a punch that we draw from the shoulders to nose or whatever you wont to hit. You use the same punch from your centerline. since theres isnt a very long distance betwine a punch from the shoulder and one from the center. I thoughed it may be something simulere. and I also tried it in the wt classes, and it almost the same punch, very little difference. Else there are the stances I already said. I have seen your frontkick and it is just like ours. Your parries are much simulere to our crane parries. and others like snake. You stick to your opponent, and thats basically also what we do with most of our snake, mantis and crane parries. Other than that, I cant see what else there is to martial art. If you would come with more facts about wing chun, I could point out the simularaties. You concentrate on movements that we dont, but that doesnt mean we dont have and uses them. I dont know if this is of any use but, isnt the legend about wing chun that, the none toke the bedst tecniques from all the shaolin systems, moderated them and turned them into a complete system? Dont get me wrong though. WC is a completely other system to ours, with many differences. But basicly, the way I see its atleast, its about the same. "and what are you actually training in again?" Nothern Shaolin.

Not to argue or anything. But what is the really big difference betwine wing chun and classical gung fu? Theres chi sao in both(well atleast a little). Theres presurepoints in both. blocks, parries, grapes, stances(same stance I mite add), fists, feets, internal power, animal movements(although you concentrate more on crane). The only really gab I see is the philosophy. Am I wrong?

Yeah I did. Ofcause I didnt learn it the right way, but since some of the principles of Wing Chun also is in Shaolin. I figured that I could use it anyway(heck, I have already learned the first section of Siu Lim Tao. The first by the Wing Tsun guy, the rest from a book). By that I mean that I know how to parrie and grap and then hit, which its all about in the end. Or atleast I think it is. My point is that if you can get something out of reading a book or see a movie, so much better.

I am so sorry Drunken Monkey. I looked at this the wrong way "technically speaking, it is anti-shaolin" Again I apologies. I seem to argue allot with you. Many of my other replies looks like I try to correct you and argue. It isnt my intentions when I write them though. Could we start on a fresh?