three60roundhouse

No need to laugh at inexperience.

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Kensai, I enjoyed reading that link....Aikijutsu is one art I know next to nothing about! I believe that a user named "Moobrack" studies Aiki-Jutsu; I am sure he will visit the thread and try to help you out as well!

Pushups work well for the chest muscles, if I am not mistaken. My answer is premature, surely kickchick will be on this thread and give you some good advice!

No, it is in the right section. Someone is asking about jiu-jitsu and it is the grappling section.

Kensai, no offense, but most (myself included) would think that type of logic towards completeness of an art outdated. Anyone who wants to be a "complete fighter" really would need to crosstrain. For example, if a TKD guy gets taken to the ground, 9/10 he has absolutely no idea what to do from there. If he has trained in judo or jiu-jitsu or submission wrestling he has a much better chance of getting out of that bad situation. Karate, TKD, and many styles of Kung Fu are "lost" once some thug who did high schoolwrestling for a year plants your butt on the floor - hard. Or if a standup fighter trips on a stone in the road when he is attacked - what now! The grappling game is so important, and I have yet to find an art that gives sufficient training in both a striking art and a ground art.

Perhaps we should all go back to 5th grade English class... I'm joking everyone, have fun....I am a grammar freak, always correcting others, but my spelling sucks! So there you have it, now you know my grasp of language and I am digging a larger grave for this thread!

We pay nothing for tests until we are ready to test for 1st dan, then i believe it is $100-$150.

As I see it, the only Gracie who has a serious problem accepting defeat is Rickson; even I think his 400-0 record is rubbish. Royce has had his fair share of losses before; this match has nothing to do with the "W" or "L" on his scorecard but with his honor.

When I am the instructor I like roughing up the kids a bit for fun....I had this 6 year old in the nicest rear naked choke the other day . Sparring with them is fun, too.

When I took my first TKD class, I was 11. My brothers were 9, 7, and 5, and had already been in the beginner class for a few months. Usually a kid gets a free introductory class before they start with the group (just so they learn attention stance, how to bow, front kick, roundhouse kick, etc.), but the instructors randomly decided that I didn't need one because of my brothers. Anyway, I was totally lost! I was also the oldest in the class by two years...most of the kids were around 7! All the parents were staring at me....I won the game at the end of class (and did every class after that until I was moved up into the intermediate class). My brothers graded a few days after that for their high white belts, it had taken them about 3-4 months. It took me two months. We were all moved up into the intermediate class 3 months early, I think because there were so many of us, and they wanted us to be in a class with more kids my age! We are now pretty much a school legend, we've been training for about 4 years and are the highest ranked "family of four" (there are also quadruplets below us, so we are no longer the ONLY family of four). I don't train with my brothers anymore, but the three of them is still a lot in one class! I had to deal with being the oldest in that class, and now I have to deal with being the youngest in the adult class! It never ends!

That orange text doesn't work very well, Radok! Anyone who wants to see a good David vs. Goliath fight, watch Minotauro Nogeira vs. Bob Sapp.

You EndZone guys sure do have a lot of team pride. That's a good thing for a martial artist to have!

What sort of Jiu-Jitsu (JuJutsu, JuJitsu) is being taught at the gym? Kickboxing and some sort of grappling is a great combo for self defense. Muscle mass slowing down speed is a myth as long as you do it correctly. Perhaps ask in the health and fitness forum?

Woah! Slow down there! Beating people from other styles shouldn't be your motivation behind training! And if you want to learn something very quickly, try Muay Thai..it is a very hardcore style that emphasizes constant sparring/fighting. Also, if your school has a wrestling team, JOIN IT! Wrestling is awesome for takedowns and takedown defense.

Wrestling is really really big in the US too....look at all the high school wrestlers!

I forgot Minotauro...he is also one of the Elite. A young fighter who armbarred Bob Sapp....that's like armbarring a tree trunk!

Tito shouldn't have to "make a persona"...this isn't pro wrestling. I think he's a great fighter, but not one of the best (I agree with Saku and Frank Shamrock as two of the best fighters.) I like Pride fighting better than UFC, though. The US has tried to MAKE UFC=boxing by not allowing long [boring] grappling matches. I love watching technical fights on the ground, I guess that's from my BJJ. Pride is where all the big money is, and that's where all the big fighters will go.

Well, I have watched the fight - it was a bad call. It didn't look like Royce was in "game mode" or something because he was getting dominated, but still, there was no way he was being choked tightly. He didn't tap, nor did he pass out. Kensai, why can I not compare Carlos and Helio Gracie to General Choi, or Funakoshi? IMHO, they have done great things for the martial arts world. While judo has pretty much reverted to training 90% stand up (Kano had wanted half stand up half ground grappling), BJJ is one of the only martial arts styles to "take it to the ground" and teach from there. The Gracies made everyone [with a brain] stop and take a look at the way they were teaching their systems, and how they would have to adapt to fight a grappler, or a wrestler, or a shootfighter. That, my friend, is influence, and if you only remember the Gracies for their "badmouthing" (which you are presenting in a totally exaggerated manner), then you need to find a BJJ school and train for a day. Most schools allow that. Then come back and tell us how much you remember BJJ for its artists (I know now you can't even bring yourself to call them that). Royce has been beaten before, he has even forfeited. I don't know what kind of "cloud nine" you think he's on. Would you like to elaborate. Also, you should maybe think about the fact that the Gracies are each seperate people, not some big clump of ideals...each acts his own way.

LOL Kensai, I don't think you or any sane person wants to get in the ring with Royler Gracie. And if you "don't care about sport", why post in a thread about MMA? Are you trying to stir the pot by bashing people who have never done anything to you? "Or matial artists don't care about sport"...I consider myself a martial artist, a very dedicated and honorable one. I care about sport. It is fun to watch, and fun to see what techniques I can use in tournaments and the like. Ok, fine...martial artists (because you can tell what they all think, of course) don't care about sport - I'll talk to you later; I'm off to watch Pride.

It's on near me tonight on Pay Per View. As far as clips, I have only seen pictures. If Royce had lost fair and square there would have been no problem with it. Look at Frye and his match the same night. The man had never kickboxed in his life, and he accepted a challenge to fight in K-1 Kickboxing! You have to give him respect, and since the rules of the Gracie match favored a judo player, Royce gets my respect as well. I respect Royce very much for still staying in the game and fighting up-and-cominhg stars like Yoshida and superstars like Sak. He obviously is in it for the fights, not like Rickson, who fights has-been's and never-will-be's for millions of dollars. The Gracies do have something to prove, over and over, because more people talk smack about them then they badmouth others. People watch Rickson Gracie: Choke and think they are some NHB know-it-all. The Gracies are the most influential family in recent martial arts history. I would say they definitely have a legacy to uphold. The Gracies have trained many more MMA stars then ever will come out of their family. Everyone seems to overlook that.

Ok, some refs suck. This is a fact. Some refs make bad calls. This is why we have play-back in football, and why the judges decisions in figure skating have been overruled. The ref made a bad call. Royce did not lose. End of story. I am hoping for a rematch.

OMG - a little off topic! I saw The Who last night with Robert Plant opening - The Who was AMAZING! Pete Townsend makes me embarrassed to say that I "play the guitar" because what he does is so many million times better than what I will ever be able to do no matter how many hours I devote to mechanically plucking the strings. (Takes deep breath). Yeah, they were good.

Woah, Kensai take a deep breath there. No one slams O Sensei on this board, but maybe if you aren't a little more respectful to perfectly legit and capable martial artists like the Gracies, we will have to. As for the tap, there was none. At all. Even the ref said there was no tap. The referee has the right to stop a match if he thinks one of the participants is about to get seriously injured (for instance when someone's arm breaks, they stop. When someone passes out, they stop.) Usually, the fight isn't ended on a choke until someone passes out. Royce Gracie would NEVER tap. He is way to egotistical (IMHO). He would rather pass out. And why not, there's a lot riding on the match and you won't get seriously hurt from a collar choke. Now, I saw many pictures of the match. I am not a huge Royce fan. It didn't look like the choke was that tight. Yoshida was looking at the ref like he thought Gracie was going to pass out, the ref ends the match, Royve is seemingly unharmed. Yoshida dominated the game, but Royce is notorious from finishing fights from underneath (in the guard). It has been officially declared a no contest, OBVIOUSLY the Japanese officials realized it was a BAD CALL, nothing more. Or was it more? Yoshida has the potential to be the new Sakuraba, so if he wins the match, the Japanese have a new hero person to defeat the Gracies. I personally don't buy it but a lot of Brazilian fans do. This particular fight just got messed up by a bad call. It could have been more, but honestly I don't think Royce would have tapped. It shouldn't have been stopped, probably, but think of all the pressure on the referees. If someone gets really hurt, who do they blame? I also didn't like the rules of this match, I thought they were a little odd. But, Royce agreed to them. He also didn;t complain about him, only Brazilian fans did. I think the fans make Gracies God-like, not the fighters themselves. There seems to be so much hostility towards them. Royce is definitely the most influential martial artist of the 90's. He is also past his prime. Give up the respect, even if he was totally dominated in that fight (with a gold medal judoka). I can;t wait to see the fight on PPV!

Helio was outweighed by 44 pounds, I have heard. No matter, I think Kimura would have still beaten him had they been comparable in weight. Kimura was so impressed with Helio and his BJJ that he invited Helio to train at the Kokodan. Helio declined. I think his ego was way too big (his not tapping and all) and it set a bad example for BJJ artists.