I understand your frustration, Tiger1962... I'm just saying not to take it out on kids, that's all. It's just a part of life. There are an endless list of hobbies that a lot of other people won't get. As long as you love it, that's all that matters. That's why it's your hobby and not theirs. I'm sure that the people you have to explain the martial arts to have their own hobbies that others might consider odd in some way, whether it be knitting or playing bridge or taking computers apart or collecting something. Personally, I collect music released by Bad Boy Entertainment. I've spent quite a bit of money picking up rare vinyl, cassettes, promotional releases, international releases, etc. - even platinum plaques that I have on my wall! Some people may look at me strange, but I love it and it gives me a good feeling. That's all that matters. Patrick