SevenStar

On the same token, how many people here can do what they do AND also say they are good fighters? Heck, how many can only say that they can do those moves and compete at the high level that the xma guys do?

don't the big tournaments usually have traditional and open divisions? as far as it being a disgrace, check out the level that these guys compete on.... How many people here are competing and winning nationally and internationally in ANYTHING? They deserve respect for what they do.

I can agree with that. However, I place more importance on how your techniques are trained, and not merely how many techniques you know.

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we use them all the time.

see above for my thoughts on groin shots. As for the knees, they are small and mobile - could be hard to hit and the proper angle to do real damage. I wouldn't rely on those either.

I wouldn't rely on that...in a high adrenaline situation, it doesn't always hurt immediately. You may not feel it until after the fight. I've experienced that before.

are you familiar with the arm drag?

are you actively studying judo and bjj? If so, then you already have secondary and tertiary arts...

In this case, he probably can. the thai kick is probably different from every style of karate except for kyokushin, and may differ from that. The differences may be smaller with some styles of karate, but different nontheless. There is more to a thai kick than merely kicking with the shin, some people don't realize that. This I know is a broad generalization, but I'm willing to be proven wrong. describe in as much detail as possible your style's roundhouse...

the shuai chiao guys I play with blend their system with kuntao. The instructor trained under steve gartin.

I dunno... the hook isn't really a power shot per se. The effectivieness of the hook is in the fact that it causes that head snap which rattles your brain.

I don't think that's the case. Even in the "hardcore" traditional schools, how many of them are training like thai boxers? It's merely an issue of training methods used.

not the overhand, the haymaker - it's like a hook punch, but at a wider angle. the reason it's said to be a "bad" punch is because of the wide arc - it's easily telegraphed and you may end up damaging yourself as you may strike with the wrong part of the fist or with improper structure and break something. However, the punch can generate a lot of power. It's definintely KO producing. As for why you see fighters in mma using it, many of these guys aren't strikers - they are grapplers with some limited striking training. Look at some of the guys that are strikers who crosstrain in grappling - mo smith, vitor, silva, cro cop, lidell... I think you'll see more straight punches and hooks coming from them. you also have to consider the situation - they are trying to knock the hell out of eachother. They are using whatever they have to to hit him first. If that punch is a haymaker, then so be it.

that is correct, to an extent. muay has been around in some form for a LONG time, but the the current muay - muay thai - and it's gloved format ahs only been around since the 1920's making it modern.

As always, I am going to be different than the majority. I agree with his post, although he did use somewhat poor examples. In general, the avg tma will not train as hard as the avg sport fighter. When someone goes to a thai boxing class, what do they expect? when they go to a kung fu class, what do they expect? sport fighting has the rep is has because of the training that it has. It is these training methods that make all the difference. Radok lifts weights, runs, etc and he trains in karate. BUT, radok, do you do that on your own, or does the class do it? The conditioning in sport fighting is part of the class. drilling, bagwork, sparring, etc. you are conditioning while you train. This is the opposite of how much of the tma I've seen trains. As was stated, kata CAN be good cardio if you go through your forms fast and repetitively. I think that is great. Do you do that in EVERY class though, or on your own? If you do it in class, for how long of a duration? Also, my class will meet on the weekends to do extra conditioning - we go to the track and run laps, run the bleachers, do ab work, etc. then go back to the gym for some pad and bagwork. sport fighters tend to train hard because they are training for competitions. TMA may never fight. They train for a possibility; we train for an inevitability.

maybe the mods like anime too

I would understand, but wouldn't agree. You are correct, however - it could be a long, drawn out discussion. It would definitely get somewhere, though. that's the point of a forum - we're not gonna agree on averything. heck, when it comes to the ideas of many TMAs, I will disagree on most things - but in the end, everyone has learned something.

exactly....it's for drive.

noir is great, from what I've seen of it, so is boogipop phantom. I love the animation for witchhunter robin, but other than that it couldn't really hold my interest. bebop is the best of all time, IMO. I have that series and the movie in english and in japanese. inuyasha is good. I've got some music from it on the mp3 player. I didn't care for nadesico too much, that one didn't hold my interest either. coincidentally, I was going to buy samurai deeper kyo a few weeks ago, but didn't know if it was any good or not. I may have to check it out. I've never heard of kiddy grade - I'll check it out too.

that applies to the majority of competitors out there. That doesn't mean he's less of a fighter.

he's trying to say that the fights were fixed.

Is it really so terribly impractical to furiously attack the throat? Maybe it is, I'm no expert. I'll take your word on it I suppose. it's a legitmate target area. the problem is that when your chin is tucked, head is moving and attacks are being thrown, it's a hard target to hit, as it's not very exposed.