SevenStar

surely you realize that those punches hurt even more without gloves... if the karateka has never boxed, he can't possibly be trained to fight a boxer, can he? he may be familiar with the techniques, but likely not the tactics. Also, as you said - they are SUPPOSED to train to throw deadly techniques. but there is a difference between theory and application. not true. Adrenaline dump can get anyone equally... see above about adrenaline dump. it wears you down fast. in many cases, less than a minute. Also, I've seen SEVERAL street fights that have lasted longer than a minute. Once again, theory vs application. tell me you aren't serious....If you are, try it out - find a local full contact event and enter it. Tell the promoter you want to fight in a weight class above yours. Then you will see why there weight classes. there is a difference between full contact and light contact when it comes to size advantage. size WILL matter, given that skill level is equal. The more skilled you are than him, the less of a factor it will be, but if you are equal, his size will give you hell. gag me...

I'm not referring to McDojo karate... I'm referring to "blood and guts" training, as you put it. Also, kyokushinkai in recent times has been influenced quite a bit by thai boxing.

I think so as well. I only commented since it was brought up. I'm not advocating taking a hit to give a hit. I'm advocating being comfortable taking a hit. I stated that the guy in the example had the right idea - he was obviously comfortable taking hits. And, he did so in order to land a shot of his own. Ideally, you don't want to take a hit, but chances are, you probably will. If you are only training to not get hit - a la light contact sparring - you are IMO disadvantaging yourself as you are not becoming comfortable with the feeling of being hit. you roll as you are being hit. in some arts, it's known as absorption. it's to minimize to minimize the effect of the blow. that's what the ring is for. I think it would benefit all martial artists to at some point do at least one full contact and/or mma match. it's an exercise in fighting against a fully resisting opponent.

anytime. I'll try to find some links. In a nutshell, the old school jj guys maintained that randori was an unnecessary part of training and that kata and drills were all that was needed. Kano, on the other hand, was afirm believer in randori. A challenge ensued between kano's group and the police jujutsu team in 1885. kano's group won every match. In 1886, another tournament was organized, this time against the yoshin ryu, which was considered the stronget jj group in japan at the time. Of the 15 matches, kano's group won 12, lost 2 and had one draw.

remember, a person adept in throwing will throw in combinations, no different from how a striker will punch in combinations. When you drop and lower your base, you are spreading your legs open - and I already have your arm. I will turn into you and throw you with a ko uchi gari - minor inner reap. Or, I may shoot my leg directly back between your legs and use a modified shoulder throw.

he meant trapping the arm. You grab the arm, kazushi, step in and turn, lowering your hips under him, then trap the arm. from there, spring your hips up and throw.

I think that is the issue here - many people are thinking in terms of light contact point sparring. I am speaking from a full contact perspective. on the other hand, if you are doing the techniques full force but on an imaginary opponent, you may not have the timing, distancing, etc. to pull off your techniqeus when you need to when under stress. I fail to see what you mean by "fail to make use of very effective techniques" - if I can KO you with a hook punch, it was more effective than the eye gouge (for example) that missed it's target... Let's not forget that the jujutsu masters did the same thing - and that they were schooled when kano and his judo guys went against them...

Except for when you are sucker punched from behind... in which case, him focusing on not getting hit wouldn't have helped either...

unless they are equal on a technical level. In that case the one with the best strength and stamina has the advantage.

by all means, do them. My only point in that post was that you can't really call them keys to a stronger punch, because they aren't...

nothing wrong with hard contact. The key is to train properly. it sounds like you may not have been. Also, for the school's sake, if they compete, training knees to the face aren't a good idea, as they aren't allowed in north american thai matches. As far as the guy whose arm got snapped, either he didn't tap in time, or the guy he was rolling with was very uncontrolled - like a newb. you really won't learn that way... if you're gonna go that route, it would server you better to just stick with isshin only.

ikt hasn't been watered down. Actually, it's probably been improved. the SBG guys probably have one of the most practical approaches around. vunak is another. down are you referring to?

as far as mastery goes - will you every really master your art? If so, how long will it take? waiting until mastery - which may never even happen - is not necessary. You should have a solid foundation, however.

yeah tai otoshi is another very popular throw.

Its funny you bring this up. My sifu is the guy in the dreads fighting with knives. the guy dacascos beat up on the school courtyard? cool.

there are actually unnecessary. isometrics, are inferior to other methods of strength training anyway. As far as weightlifting, it helps, but is not necessary for a strong punch. Hitting the heavy bag is sufficient. speed bags are also unnecessary. There are fighters that never tough a speed bag. those teach you basic coordination and to keep your hands up - I can do that with a heavy bag or focus mitts... hand toughening is the byproduct of heavy bag training. there is no need to do any extra training for this.

boran.

the difference is evolution. MT changed with the times to suit what it needed as opposed to holding on to things merely for traditions sake. A MARTIAL art is any art that can be used in warfare... I've always hated the delinneation between MA and sport MA. it's all the same. the difference is how some styles are trained, IMO.

roundhouse kick - arcing kick... you have alot you can do with this one. if it comes to the midsection, catch the kick and slide to the side as you do so in order to minimize impact. Once you have caught his leg, you can step in and sweep him. if the kick is high, just duck. that may be safest. another thing you can do - if it's a follow through roundhouse (a la muay thai) as opposed to a snapping one is to step back slightly and let it pass by you. use your hands to shove the kick past, exposing his back to you. Another thing you can do is step in - crod his space. the roundhouse is an arcing kick - if you step in, you will impact it before it reaches the height of its power and it won't hurt. In addition, you have the opportunity to off balance him. with the sidke kick, sidestep it. either that or rush in to jam him. it's a straight line kick though, so rushing in on it will be harder than stepping in on a roundhouse.

I would very much consider muay thai a martial art, as well as a martial sport. The older stuff wasn't "more of a martial art", it was merely more traditional.

nah, that's just a school yard thing, mainly. And it really no longer applies. these days, when someone knocks a person down in a fight, what do they do? kick and stomp on them... I witnessed a friend of mine kick a guy off of the back of a moving school bus, and he had no MA training whatsoever.

it's a cultural thing. thai boxing is their national sport - baseball is ours. If you go to china, most of them have never hear of UFC oor pride. different cultures, different interests...

not necessarily. This is where the term "roll with the punches" comes from. you have to learn to absorb shots in various ways. By knowing how to deal with the hit, you are better apt to NOT get knocked out by that forst puch which connects...

I wouldn't do them as much as possible everyday - many people have gotten rotator cuff injuries and other various repettitive stress injuries that way. You do want to do them regularly though.

here's some info about a few of the old styles: http://www.ancientmuaythai.com/styles/muay_thai.htm