MuayThai Fighter

Shows how little you know about martial arts if you can actually say that katas are not to hide techniques. Katas are pre-arranged movements with hidden techniques. My instructor has nothing to do with my way of thinking,unlike traditional arts we don't get brain washed a certain way.I speak my own opinion from my own experience in both Goju Ryu Karate Do and Pankration.

That is where I disagree,because it doesn't take much to break bones.Little effort is needed.Does it take martial arts and power to break someones nose? Of course not,if you know where to hit or kick,then you could easily break someones bones. It doesn't take much to do a side kick to a person's knee caps,even though in karate they try to make it look like it would take alot of effort.You bring your knee up high enough and drop your kick in a person's knee it can automatically break with no effort at all.

That is so true.

My instructor who fought in UFC is Lance Gibson at the Gibson Pankration School in Port Moody,B.C. He is well known in the martial arts community and even by people who saw his fight in UFC. http://www.gibsonpankration.com He knocked out his opponent using his knee to guy's chin.

Thanks,I went here and I'm still not convinced that board breaking is useful. I have read some saying that it teaches accuracy more then hitting a heavy bag,which I totally disagree with. I can break 3 boards at most,so what if I can't break a whole stack.Even if I could break a whole stack what would I have accomplished other then being able to break all the boards? I think board breaking is useless and stupid.Either you will break the boards or you can end up breaking your fingers or knuckles and then you end up worse off and end up getting nothing out of those boards,so what is the point of breaking the boards? I did my share of breaking boards when I used to do Goju Ryu karate and thought it was fun but never really got anything out of it,and never understood the point behind it.

Well katas are useless.

Yep,that's all it is a novelty.

A heavy bag doesn't hit back either. I do however agree that a heavy bag makes more sense since it helps you with accuracy,focus,concentration,improve technique,speed and power all at one time.Where as it doesn't take much to break a board or even 3 boards. It might be hard if not impossible to break a whole stack of boards,but whether you are able to or not,what does breaking boards really accomplish?Nothing more then being able to break those boards as far as I am concerned,it definitely won't help you improve your fighting skills like a heavy bag will.So I agree with you 100%.

I agree 100%

Whether Tai chi,Karate,KungFu,Tae kwon do etc.,forms are just forms,nothing more. Katas originally supposed to be away of hiding unarmed combat techniques being practiced are just really forms.They may have a few useful techniques,but in general they are just a bunch of techniques that have been pre-arranged to look a certain way that's all. The same thing goes for Capoeira an afro-brazilian martial art invented by the African slaves in order to cover up their practice of fighting techniques from their masters.This martial art became more of a dance and the change they had done to hide their techniques ruined their art forever making it just another way of practicing forms. You really think any of these forms would help you to become a better martial artist and better fighter?Then you better just keep on dreaming.

Okay if you understand it,why don't you tell me what good board breaking does?

I disagree,a punch isn't just a punch,as you have stated.A karate punch is different from a muaythai punch and a muaythai punch will be more effective then a karate punch,why?well first of all a karate punch often comes from the waste(belt level)leaving oneself open for a punch to stomache or solar plexus.MuayThai punch comes from above,holding at head level and being thrown whether straight jab,right cross,or uppercut,hooks etc.The less time a punch takes to be executed the more power you will have.Speed breads power.It takes longer to execute a punch from waste then it does if you are holding your fists up at head level. Also snapping your punches as is done in karate and many other styles is less effective then if you just go right through with the punch.Snapping and pulling back on punches does absolutely nothing for the same reason point sparring is not as effective as full contact. I can rely on things like UFC for a deciding factor as to what is effective and isn't because UFC although not an actual fight is the closest you will ever come to a real situation.Also my instructor has fought in UFC and teaches us the same stuff you see in those octagon fights so I can compare it to karate since I used to do it and see the huge difference.

I will agree that tai chi is nothing but forms. You see UFC as just a bunch of half naked guys beating up on people in a ring for pay per preview,and don't see it as proving an art,well then you have never watched or don't know much about UFC. They prove their art by using what they are trained in,and they all have mixed martial arts experience. To even bring up guns is stupid,because we're not here to discuss about what weapons can do,any moron knows that a gun can kill anyone regardless of martial arts being taken or whether a person has trained in M.A or not.You're stating the obvious.Don't get off topic,we are discussing martial arts and only martial arts not guns,you don't have to be in martial arts to know what a gun can do. I pull a gun on one of you karate guys and it will be the end of you too,so what's your point?

I never once said MMA doesn't have its limitations infact I did say all styles do,just some more then others. What makes mixed martial arts a sport and traditional arts not?What to you makes other arts more of a style then mixed styles? As far as I am concerned mixed martial arts are more of a martial arts then your typical traditional arts.After all martial arts is originally meant for self-defense yet styles like karate don't teach much of it,they teach alot of katas,where as other styles like Pankration,Savate,Shooto etc.concentrate specifically on self-defense. The word "martial" is for combat,if I am correct.Traditional arts have very little of that training. Do you even know the difference between a martial arts style and sport? A karate ka,judo practitioner,and a boxer can enter the octagon but they would all lose without knowing any other styles.To win in the octagon you would have to know a combination of arts such as stand up and grappling or you will lose as simple as that.No single art will work in UFC or Pride.In case you haven't noticed most fights go from stand up to the ground and usually won by submission. Traditional arts are not the type of martial arts that will work in competitions like UFC,Sabaki Challenge or Pride. MMA not being a style is what makes it a better martial arts,because then it means it is less limited.

I agree that there is no complete art however there are some arts that are more complete then others(the mixed martial arts styles)just as there are some arts that are completely limited,such as karate. Doing katas limits one's fighting ability. Mixed Martial Arts that concentrate specifically on self-defense/fighting are the only useful arts available and have been proven over and over again in UFC,Pride,etc.,however even they have limits.

Many karate schools.if not all,teach board breaking as one of the ways to practice focus and concentration,being able to see through the board in order to break them. However there are many more useful ways of practicing focus and concentration. Any moron can learn to break a board in just a few minutes though,even if they have never done martial arts before,so does board breaking really have any use to it?I don't think so.Is the practice of boarding breking not a waiste of time?I believe it is,it's more of just a matter of fun then being useful. 1/boards don't fight back 2/breaking boards doesn't build up your power 3/breaking boards doesn't make you a better fighter 4/heavy bags don't fight back either but at least you can gain focus,concentration,build power,speed,and improve on technique all at one time. I never could understand what was the point of the practice of board breaking. Besides having fun,all this makes board breaking in martial arts a waiste of time.Does anyone here not agree?

Why do you want to study two styles? The most common reason is to cover weak spots. I would suggest comitting yourself to one of these styles, whichever you prefer, and be a master of 1 rather than a jack of 2 or more. You bob, your opponent knees you in the face. This is not likely to happen in a boxing match. Some people................... You bob, your opponent knees you in the face. This is not likely to happen in a boxing match. We have away of blocking knee kicks so we don't get a knee in face. Besides for an opponent to apply a knee kick person has to be very close to you in first place.If you are going to use a knee kick why would your opponent need to bob or weave.If a person decides to punch you when in close you can then bob or weave and be prepared to block his/her knee while coming back up after the bob.Also when you bob,it's not like you go alll the way down on your knees,if that was the case it would be very stupid and awkard for boxer and a muaythai person. When a person bobs or weaves,it's just enough to avoid getting punched,you are not crouching all the way down,that would be stupid and in that case then I would have to agree about being kneed in face.

I agree

Another good idea for accuracy is to practice on Bobb,the human looking bag. You can practice your shots on face and body,so you know exactly where you are hitting or kicking.

you think no one else in the world ever thought to hit someone with their elbow? sure most stlye have seen the succes MT has and has started to use some techniques...but saying they "stole" it is a little far fetched..you cant put a claim on a technique like an elbow. Bobbing and weaving IS alot more dangerous in Muay Thai, the risk of eating a knee to the head is alot more relevant. boxers dont have to worry about knees. Yes I do believe that no one else had thought of using elbows in martial arts before MuayThai fighters did,anyone who claims its not so doesn't know what they are talking about. Explain to me how bobbing and weaving is more dangerous in Muay Thai then boxing. Bobbing and weaving in muay thai or boxing is same.Obviously we're not going to bob and weave from a knee kick,it's impossible as far as I know. You make it sound like the only thing we know how to use is our knees.When we're not using the knees we can bobb and weave from punches and other kicks just as easily as in boxing. Only difference is boxing is simply punching and muaythai is boxing with kicks.

People think that only MT guys kick the legs or use elbows. Fact is, there are no techniques relegated to only one style. That is not true everyone realizes that, what people don't realize is kicking to thigh with shins and use of elbows in martial arts originally came from MuayThai.Other styles that use it,just stole it and incorporated it into their own style. bobbing and weaving is great in boxing. Not so good in MT or bare-knuckle matches where you clinch and knee. I would parry and punch if I can, but you have to know when to block. I have blocked a tire iron before. Would you guys have tried to parry it? It's true we do clinching and kneeing but that isn't the only thing we do in MuayThai. To say bobbing and weaving is good in boxing yet not in muay thai makes absolutely no sense. MuayThai involves boxing,it is just that we also have our own special kicks(the shin kicks and knees),clinching,and have also added elbows,which makes our style unique and more realistic. Bud this shows you have no freaking clue about MuayThai,because we use alot of parrying,weaving and bobbing for the boxing part of MuayThai. The next time you write something think about what you are saying instead of making a fool out of yourself. To answer your question,yes we probably would try to parry it.

How about the fact that police officers train shooting at moving targets from a distance,does that mean what they are training is useless,if most times the bullet will miss when a person is running? Criminals that carry weapons and have experience in using them seem to have no problems shooting at police officers while in a car chase and same goes with the police officers shooting back at the criminals. You can run and get shot to death You can scream and still get shot or Just give the person what he/she wants and perhaps survive if you are lucky.

You're making a couple of assumptions here, and they are not safe assumptions. A) Typically when a person pulls a gun on you it is a very short range. The trigger is not hard to pull and they have plenty of time to aim unless you react immediately. Most handguns are semi-automatic so you can expect at least 3 rounds per second from a person unloading the gun at you. They aren't likely to be toting a muzzle-loader. B) The stopping power of a bullet is highly dependant on the type of bullet. .22, .38 Special, 9mm, 5.45mm may not drop a target. .45 probrably will. Any magnum cartridge will leave a BIG hole. 5.56 will almost definately drop the target. 454 causall, 7.62 WP, 7.62 NATO, .50 BMG, 20mm Anti-Materiel will not only send pieces of the target flying but will also potentially hurl the target a short distance. Shotgun slugs or even buckshot are extremely hazardous at close ranges. Though handguns in 7.62 and .50 BMG are rare, they are not unheard of. The FBI uses primarily .45 caliber and 9mm rounds. The 9mm round is by far the most common handgun round and that is likely what the above quote was based on. 9mm, though a large bullet, does not have a lot of muzzle energy and has rather poor penetration, but due to the fact that it is extremely common, it is what most people's views on how powerful a gun is are based on. C) The people that are wounded and live in war is ON PURPOSE. They shoot them in the leg, etc. so that two other enemy soldiers have to drag the wounded guy away. That takes three people out of the action for the price of one. 5.56 NATO is definately capable of killing a person wearing armor even at range. D) Criminals don't follow the gun laws and may be packing a machine pistol or submachine gun. It is difficult to miss with an automatic weapon at short range. E) Getting shot causes a great deal of trauma to your nervous system. The nervous system is flooded by this trauma and cannot effectively pass communications from the brain to the muscles. However, small caliber bullets do not exhibit a strong nervous trauma effect. Regardless getting shot will often be followed by getting shot again, and again, until you DO fall over. (as a result of not being able to move coherently) F) Guns don't suddenly stop working at close range and do not have to be lined up with your arm to fire. Grabbing a guys arm will likely result in him twisting his wrist to shoot you in the head. G) If a person is attacking you, they likely believe that they can beat you. Thus, it's only fair to consider that they have as much training with their gun as you have with your martial arts, if not more. Some people are just thugs, but most serious criminals are not lummocks. I agree 100%,war was an excellent example for you to bring up since most soldiers shoot from a distance even at moving targets.

Oh I do know what I am talking about from my own experience in martial arts.MuayThai kickboxing isn't the only martial arts I have ever done.I have a ni dan (second degree black belt)in Goju-Ryu and Meibu kan Karate Do. Now that I fight Muay Thai and never do katas, I can see a huge difference.

A Tai chi fighter whoops up on me to prove a point!!!!!.Now that's a funny one,considering tai chi doesn't have fighters and is more of an art of relaxation then a martial arts.