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Sicjitz I been meaning to play call of duty modern warfare 2 but I have been killin some zombies on Dead Rising 2. It's kind of addictive

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This is a difficult poll to vote on simply because most of what we do could result in serious injury. I start them at 8 learning basic chokes, which could be lethal.

i wouldn't treat ANY of my students this way. They sound dramatic and you and your family should find somewhere more comfortable and supportive to continue training.

I can see that. I have no idea how I would take it if something happened to Master Palhares. Thanks for your response.

When I was first exposed to jiu jitsu we started on our knees. I believe my first instructors had various backgrounds with no formal training. However I am still friends with these guys and we are all BJJ black belts ten years later. Anyway I had done that for 2 years before starting with Master Palhares. He would always yell at us "Don't wrestle from the knees! This don't make since man, fights don't start on the knees." (Thick Portuguese accent)

Hello, I do not study BJJ so I would not know whether or not it would be of any benefit - in terms of getting better at BJJ. In my experience in Koryu Jujutsu however (which bear in mind is often very different in both its approach and also requirements compared to Gendai Jujutsu) - it is good at what it is designed to do. As I mentioned earlier; ime, idori helps isolate certain movements and restricts others - the end result being greater efficiency of movement. The theory is this "efficiency" of movement is then applied to stand up techniques - making them all the more effective. Sojobo Fair enough!

Just for the sake of presenting the obvious flip side (after which we're back to the old arguments and intangibles and the discussion won't go anywhere new in a hurry)... Fighting's too complex for certainties. You might well know that from a certain position you have it in the bag and can predict and control the fight. Sounds like in your experience people have let you attain that controlling position and you've come to take it for granted. It's like saying "I can always win at chess (but before we play the opponent has to move their king four rows forwards of normal). Even if say a striker had only a 70% chance of ending the fight with _their_ favoured technique, if they can get a 70% chance of striking you with it as you come in for your show-stopper, then the odds are almost exactly back to 50/50. Having a 100% winning technique that you've got to get past a 70%/70% to apply doesn't mean you're not gambling... that's a fallacy of perception. Everybody gambles in a fight. You just have to shore up the odds at each stage of engagement to make it diminishingly unlikely that a whole chain of things can go wrong and culminate in a fight-stopping technique being used effectively against you. The individual gambles can have a multiplicative effect just as the more small bets you make in a casino, the surer you are to loose. The weight of small-risk, small-commitment, uncertain outcome attacks can overwhelm an all-in commitment-required coffin-filler (though you obviously want to seize on bigger mistakes with more commitment). And that goes on both sides... grappling and striking. Don't get too smug or you'll loose touch with the very real dangers of other styles. A logical fallacy. If people train 4 times more hours _they can be expected to be better fighters_, all other things being equal. It proves absolutely nothing about which style or school is better if the students have put in the same amount of hours (in this case, it just reflects on what a black belt means to each school). And even that's too simplistic because some styles focus on ambitious long-term results (e.g. tai chi), where others focus on short-term results (e.g. a lot of kickboxing schools), so you can't work out which school or style is better by just drawing a line and saying "we'll compare after 500 hours", nor "2000 hours", nor "black belt", unless you actively define that as the end-goal of the students training: "I want to be as good as possible after 500 hours (but don't care if I've a solid foundation to keep getting better quickly after that)". Not much point. Sadly, nothing's easy to measure, and it all goes round in little circles... (at least for Wally Jay) :-/. I'm pretty sure what ps1 was saying is that you are certain to go to sleep there is no theory to the techniques. I look at jiu jitsu much like I do the any animal expert that catches and works with them hands on in the wild. While there is risk involved you can greatly reduce that risk by understanding body mechanics, body type, and what you are most likely to run into. Even in competition where jiu jitsu is forever evolving you can still predict a response the vast majority of the time. In self defense this is still true. I always hear talk of so many variables and on and on. Truth is human beings are extremely predictable. We are creatures of habit who have a real disdain for change, as with most living things. Everyones reality is different. Some people are weak and passive. Some are strong athletic and aggressive. Take either one and train them up and they will both be better for it but the playing field will NEVER be level. I truly believe ones ability and perception are the root of disagreement in discussions.

Yeah thats what I mean. I feel as if I have it on me and am choosing not to use it then it is still a focus and a distraction. I want to focus 100% on the person or persons I'm dealing with. Just me though.

Honestly I can't see the practicality in doing this. I understand where it came from and I understand the tradition side of it. However, it's not a POSITION and one has many opportunities to stand in grappling including coming out from the bottom. Wouldn't this be the same as us starting in chairs? Sincerely I don't see where this is useful. Am I overlooking something?

Awesome! It's gotta be great bonding time for you and your sons as well. Good to hear it's going well.

Welcome!

It's widely done mostly to prevent the vast number of injuries that occur during take downs.

I suppose I need to utilize my membership at On Target more huh Tallgeese? Weapons are so unforgiving that they scare me a bit.

Are you sure that's not actually a Judo throw? LoL. Not in my jiu jitsu manual! But yes I understand what you mean as well. Look at the BJJ video. Phenomenal take downs. Some schools have weak stand up, however many do not. It's a huge part of what we do at the Nation. We either start from an established position or we start standing. No wrestling from the knees as I have seen in many places.

Solid post! I'm very bless to have a team at work that if something goes wrong or gets messed up some one will raise their hand and say I did it. I wish more people were like this. Pointing blame doesn't solve a problem. Take ownership over your actions. It goes a long way. This is at the core of what I teach the children who attend the Nation.

Very good!

YES SIR!!!!

um ouch! Somehow I think a whole demo of me choking bricks and locking up bats just wouldn't have the same effect! lol What is it with you people and beating up on inanimate objects!

Sensei8, I have to say I'm a bit confused. You have many years experience, you are currently bored out of your skull, you obviously disagree with the way things are being done and you have stated that they are lost and or confused. The way I see it is they are looking to you for all the right reasons, but maybe chose the wrong words. I would say any conversation would probably use the same references as your personal feelings on things are just that yours and they are quite possibly oblivious to the way you feel or see things. Seems you are in a position to lead at a point in your life in which you are most qualified to do so. I believe you could lead them in the right direction and make some lasting changes and impressions. Of course if you are not interested then I understand. At the same time I myself don't quite understand it entirely as you do so i'm aware there is a lot that I am unaware of lol

LOL I scanned back through the topics and you are right I suppose I could have just jumped into one. What makes a good gi for stand up styles. Obviously for me durability is one factor and beyond that it is fit and comfort and they are separate for me. Fit for me refers to how much skirt the jacket has, as I like the bottom of it to just barely stick out under my belt for competition purposes. The more material you have the more they have to use against you. A Koral A3 is about like a custom fit.

Absolutely! 10 years in and I have a real ability to slow things down in my mind. It's a great feeling.

I also want to point out the speed and efficiency at which they move and could easily be back to their feet whenever they choose. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEhuHihC6LQ