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Man, I second that that is a reall crappy deal. It sounds worse than I though. Bummer.

I'd like to survive just a training camp with George St. Pierre. I think that hands down he's probibly the best pound for pound mma'er out there right now. Well versed in all ranges of unarmed combat, exciting to watch, and always in great fighitng shape...yeah, I'd like to get that kind of experience.

Oh yes, for one of the old atari systems. Man, I could waste time in front of that. Ahh, memories.

Very nice! I occassionlly roll out my garage matts for large groups or heavy sparring where the basement might get too destroyed. But to leave it up year round, man that would be sweet.

Nice, can't go wrong there. Just finished up with: 1/2 mile run with treadmill at highest elevation chest/tris, used only DB's this week. Still trying to nurse my wrist a bit 3, 3 min rounds to cool down of 1/2 speed shadow boxing. Worked specifically on head movement and chin coverage with strikes.

I'll throw out an answer to your question bushio man, I can't speak for MMA Jim of course, but it's too good of a question to not respond to. I think how one decides to test himself and his art is largely in his hands. What would you feel most tested your knowledge? To one heavily into the philosophical side of things, i t may be to have suce an awareness to never have to fight. To others, it may be to find the most realistic simulation of fighting you could and see how you do. Still others may want to find out how their art specific skill compare to others doing the same thing. Each of these is a valid "test" of one's self in it's own way. At the core, it's about why you do the art and how much you derive from external feedback and competition. I don't think it's mandantory for any ma'er to compete, in anything. That being said, I loved competition but that's just my thing. What I do think is mandantory in combative training, is hard, realistic sparring and simulations. These should uses simple, workable movements and you should be able to perform them even from negitive positions and starting postures. Not every day or every session, but this type of training goes along way to understanding the realities of fighitng contact and developing a martial mindset.

I think the easy answer is when the student starts to move beyond mere technique and begins to think in the stratagy of his game. I think, seeing that most of these arts you mentioned are competitive in nature, it happens when a trainee really begins to fight in the ring. It's this kind of thing that really synthises what you've been working on in the gym. I'm not making a statment about the worth of competition or anything. Just noting that arts that revolve around competive aspects tend to find their greatest application when they are used in that manner.

I agree bushido man. I've said it before, and I'll continue to preach it...articulation is key. How you frame a conflict is critical in how it's view by LE types. That being said, it is important to have an understanding of your state law in reagards to these things. Don't take someone's word for it. Do some research and find the complied statutes on-line. Read the pertenant sections youself and if needed, have a cop buddy interperate. In sympathies Ruach, I would hate to function under the weight of the California legal system, thats for sure. Repressive is how I would classify it, from an outsiders standpoint of course. And we see how well that's working out with the crime stats from out that way.

I agree with most everything you're saying TradDan. There are a couple of things to point out in regard to the argument that have less to do with the movments taught and more to do with the methodology applied. I've found that most mma clubs tend to have a higher level of general preparedness for conflict that your average tma school (note: I said most ). The type of training and drilling tends to lend itself to mental conditioning for contact closer to those found in actual confrontations. Secondly, most mma'ers are more ready mentally to be hit than most tma'ers. This again goes back to the way that they train. There are several advantages that tma has a hold on. One of course is movements that are illegal and therefore not practiced often in an mma envornment. However, I feel that due to the way that mmaers tend to train, they are more ready to actually utilize damaging movements than are tma people. The lesson I feel here is what you hinted at in regard to simply being ready to defend one's self with out the headache of systemic titles. Tma'ers need to take those weapons they have and train them more like mma'ers train theirs. Again, not technique, but training methods I'm talking about here.

crossfit Started a running clock, on the first minute, one pull up. During the second min, 2 pull ups. Third minute, 3 pull ups. Ect, to failure. I only got to 9. My back is still pretty smoke from grappling yeasterday. Short leg workout. Bushido-man, if you ever get the chance to post some of the things you're doing for the combat hapkido, or could point me to site that talked about it, I'd be real interested in seeing what it included at each rank.

I've always been a big fan of the telegraph watch from "The Spy Who Loved Me". Of course, we also get the submersible car in this film, which is a fantastic ride.

I won't argue that one could view kata as training for multiple attackers. However, I think you would be better served by other methods of training for this type of situation. For instance, drills can be utilized with multiple people holding focus mitts. These people can then deploy randomly and begin to move in. Then you can strike and move as they present the mitts. Additionally, as was metioned above, realistic sparring agaisnt multiple opponants is probibly more instructive. These forms for training simulate the many variables of actual conflict much better than the more static form of kata training. Now, you have to factor for motion of all parties involved, different angles of attack and unexpected tactics of aggressors. Further, you can always have an opponant armored for sparring amoung you mitt holders. While striking the mitts, he can randomly engage with grabbing attacks, tackle attempts, or grappling instigation. Then your defender has to adapt to several forms of attack at once. This free form work will also metanlly train someone more quickly to adapt to the higher stress envoirnment of a fight. Just my thoughts.

If you are interested in staying under the organization you leraned under they I would check with them to find out what you need to be an "instructor". It may be a relitively easy process if you're already a black belt. Then it would be nice an offical. Conversly, if you're not all that attached to your organization, t here are probibly plenty of independant federations and such that you could register with and utilize their certificates while teaching your cirriculum. A third option is to simply teach your style and rank her yourself. Have cert printed that you like at a store that will do such things and order the belts from any number of supply houses. Now before I get flamed for this- how much more legitimeate is a rank just because it's from an organization? Really? Can you teach her what you learned and keep it authentic? If the answer is yes, then you could go for it. The organization I grew up in went belly up some time back and this is the path I've gone. The proof of worth in an art is what it's practitioners are able to do, not where their certificates come from. If your students can stand on a floor with anyone else, then you've got no worries and if a school is that worried about pedigree then I probably counldn't stand training with them anyway.

I agree. Learing starts at day one, not at black belt level. In fact, your learning curve is probibly greater at the lower ranks than the higher ones. Early on, everything is new. Even standing. I also don't think that black belt level should signify just understanding basics. You've put probibly 4-5 years in (for most systems I've had experiance with anyway), you should probably be past basics. I like to think of it as your 4 year degree of the martial arts. As far as the learning curve post black belt, I think that there is certanly learning occuring. More than anything however, I think it's about time in system and dedication to an art. Espically past 3rd dan. By third dan, your test should include big portions of teaching related skills. This ensures that you are capable of passing on all that you've learned. Just my take. Good thread.

Today (finally, I catch up a bit) back and bi's worked through triangle choke/serpintine armbar series-15 min free roll-30 min mitt work-25 min began with combinations worked into same combinations with movement/ defensive measures finished with odd man out initating takedown after combo, reactive options included any takedown defense, strkiking (not limited to mma, could simulate eye gouges and such, elbows to back of head/neck), or ground work (including strikes)

I agree, nicely covered. Good take on things and sufficiently broad to encoporate not only any attack by numerous response movemnets as well.

Congrats! Great job.

Yesterday (yeah, I can't seem to catch up) crossfit (modified) 3 rounds of: Deadlift 135 lbs, 15 reps Hang Cleans 135 lbs, 12 reps (only got 5 reps on last set) Front Squats 135 lbs, 9 reps Push Jeaks 135 lbs, 6 reps 15 min mitt work session to end. Focused on basic combos in conjunction with movment into differnt joint positions and sweeps. Set up combos, spontaneous joint manipulations.

I think what he's getting at (sorry in advance if I'm wrong NightOwl), is that for general sd use agaist guys mainly trying to punch, you'll probibly need to be less versed in grappling than if you're dealing with guys who grapple constantly. If that's the case. I'd agree with the statement. Against general attackers chances are that you'll need few submissions in your toolbox than you will agaist trained grapplers. Go to a school that dosen't train in grappling and see how many submission you need beyond a coulple of chokes and armbars. Now go to a mma or school that engages in any form of grappling. You probibly won't get those same movments to lock in as easily. You might have to set up more intricate ones. Something to consider though is that there are a ton of guys out there with at least 4 years of wrestling experience from high school. These guys have good atkedowns and controlling expertinse once on top. They could not be discounted and you are more likely to face someone with this exp. than ma training or an mma background. If nothing else, it's something to consider and be prepared for. Make sure you work on sprawling and pulling to guard once a wrestler initates a takedown. This is something they are not used to and should buy you some time to work. Then begin immediate submission efforts. Again, a few from here will probibly do agasit someone who h asn't made the transition to mma or JJ of some kind.

Stratigies and tactics, Montana, yes several good ones have been devised given the circumstance. Should you be training on them, of course. Just realize the uphill nature of the problem your facing. Mass is a huge equilizer of skill. Espically if the mindset of the opponants you face is to signifigantly injure you. I tend to agree with bushido man here, we sometimes get a little carried away with what we expect out of our skill. I am no exception to this rule either, so I'm not pointing fingers. It's important to occassionally re-evaluate our expectations against reality. In your case, fantastic job. I would caution to be careful of success in this case. Succeeding beyond expectations can often lead to a false sense of what we are able to accomplish. Again, I'm taking nothing away from your victory. I'm just saying that there are alot of varialbes involved here, change one or two and the outcome could have been very different. The same statement is probibly true of any number of encounters that I or anyone else been involved with. My point is simply that one can't take situations like these lightly.

Yeasterday- full class nite. warm up went over ankle lock/ heel hook series and defenses- 20 min free roll-30 min interval training/ mma sparring from ground, concetration on escaping from negitive positions- 30 min finished with 3, 1 min rounds of sd focused sparring.

I download mostly these days. But I did pick up Daughtry last year.

History. With a close second of biology.

Congrats! I always do appreciate your posts.

No fur, don't worry . You bring up two different issues. One is a verbal match only, where the individual is simply running his mouth. It is unfortunate that there are people in our society who operate in the fashion. If that's all there is to it then no escalation is warranted, no matter how irritating they are. Now, when you add aggressive postuing and/or threats of violence, you've changed the rules. Now, a pre-emptive action may be in order. No, you should never let him swing if you can help it. Certainly don't let him hit you first. But, and this is big, make certain that you can articulate why you did so. What did you see that tipped you off? What threats was he making? Ect. That's what keeps you off the hook. Always call the cops. It's better if they here it now rather than four hours form now when the idiot who was threatening you call them to tell them that you beat him up for no reason. This is when the fog really starts to set in. Remember, articulate. After having seen dozens (probibly way more) of incidents like this, I can tell you that what gets people jammed up is not the inital reaction. Not ever have I seen anyone get in trouble or arrested for defending themselves. I know, eveyone has a horror story. All I can say is after having delt with nearly this exact situation many times, and having been a back up officer on countless others,I've never actually seen anyone go to jail for defending themselves. What gets people in trouble is after they defend themselves. ONe guy makes an attack. One guy defends and knocks the attacker on his back. Now he's got space. Insead of leaving and calling the cops, the "defender" now throws a few kicks into the "attackers" ribs while he's down. Guess what, we now have a new attacker. At this point, both guys will, in all likelyhood, go to jail. So, my advice/views, tolerate the running of the mouth, be prepared to prement an attack when warrented. De-escalate after you've controlled the attacker. And tell someone in authority what happened with good articulation of the facts.