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So, from what you two are saying, I need to be from Cirque du Soleil!?!? What a sad epitaph for the martial arts!

I'd be doing Kung-Fu! Sorry, I finally just couldn't resist!

On p. 100, photo 2, I can't say that I'd use the same block he used (I think of open hand; he's looking to deliver a shock), but it has the same effect of allowing the wrist seize and controlling/pulling his opponent into the strike (p. 101, photo 4). Separately, on p. 101, there's the move to grab the wrist for the twist and takedown. In Soo Bahk Do, one of the more basic techniques is to seize the wrist and then three more moves, but as you go up the belt chain, you're shown how to do exactly this wrist/arm twist (just one move, not three) to down the opponent. (Efficient as well as effective.) Comparing the two in the article, one is to pull the opponent into a "backfist as it slams against his temple, neck, or behind his ear"; the other doesn't require a strike (although you can kick, as in photo 3), in case you want to take your adversary down without hitting him. I'd opt for the latter if possible if dealing with a drunk instead of a mugger, especially if the police are called. That's the bueaty of any Oyo Bunkai; there are NO boundaries!

I'm sure that there are more than whispers effect. Change is enivitable, therefore, change can't be ignored, nor can it be denied and/or restricted. No matter from who, what, when, where, why, and how! Are they wrong to change? That's for one to decide on their own! Allow the change to accure because it's a natural occurence in 'its' evolution!

I understand referring to Tae Kwon Do as a sport martial art (my apologies to those who are familiar with the non-sport content of TKD [like joint locks] that is often not emphasized), or else it wouldn't (couldn't?) have been accepted by the Olympics, but Tang Soo Do, and my art, Soo Bahk Do, specifically separate themselves from Tae Kwon Do. As martial arts, how are they not karate, since there's been such a heavy Japanese influence on them? Even the Pinan/Heian, or Pyung Ahn to the Soo Bahk Do-ist, series is incorporated in them. I do see that you mentioned country of origin, John, but how are they not another of the many facets of "empty hand" (originally "China hand")? The reason it bothers me a little is that I feel it's inaccurate, and inaccuracy bothers me. Like the OP, I think the use of a Japanese word suggests that it's a Japanese art. I accept that the general public doesn't care whether it's Shotokan or TKD, but if someone were to ask a TKD instructor which martial art they teach, I doubt they would answer karate, even if that's what is says in their front window. And the ones that would, what would they say if a Korean asked them, or another martial artist? I think it all depends on context. Personally, I know I can be a little anal about using correct terms, so I make an effort to be flexible. As a car guy, it bothers me when people refer to Mustangs as "sports cars" even though it's no where near the classic definition of a sports car. People often use "centrifugal force" when they actually mean "centripetal force." Most people don't know or care what the distinction is, and most people understand the intended meaning. As I see it, language changes over time, and if enough people want a word to mean something other than it used to, then that's what the new definition should be. Isn't that how even works for Webster's Dictionary? I get your meaning as well as your points! Nice post! I don't care if it's an orange or a tangerine; I just want to eat the darn thing because I'm hungry! Same thing, I don't care if it's called Shotokan or Shindokan; I just want to learn the darn thing because I'm hungry for its knowledge. Both feed me, therefore, both nourish me!

I too am an overweight instructor, not by choice, but nonetheless, I fit into the acceptable definition. I echo the sentiments of both Brian and JusticeZero, while I don't try to be overweight, I still am. I've a spare tire or two around my gut. It angers my Dai-Soke to no end, yet, he doesn't allow the look of my outer shell to take anything away from my skills. Why? He never questions his decisions on whom and why his students have been promoted or whom they are as individuals, therefore, not one Shindokan By-Law says that one must look like a Charles Atlas...this is good...because I don't...look like a Charles Atlas. Don't judge a book...me...by its cover, what's on the outside, but rather, judge me by the context of my martial arts knowledge as well as my skills, in that order! After that....proof is always found on the floor! Many may say "He's overweight" to themselves when I first meet them, but, once on the floor, I erase any and all doubts.

(Helio Gracie, Royce's dad, to be specific) * Forrest Griffin had his arm broken in an MMA fight in Brazil before entering the UFC, refusing to tap to an armbar. He went on to win the fight, KO-ing his opponent with his other arm. * Yuki Nakai, at Vale Tudo Japan 95, was illegally eye-gouged by Gerard Gordeau, blinding him permanently in one eye. He went on to defeat Gordeau in that same fight, catching him in a heel hook and progressing to the next round of the tournament. He also won that fight, beating Craig Pittman with an armbar, before losing to Rickson Gracie in the final. * BJ Penn won the BJJ Mundials (World Championships) at black belt level after 3 years of formal training - previously unheard of. BJJ fighters typically take 8-10 years to even be promoted to the rank of black belt let alone win mundials at that level. Solid examples of MA feats; thanks tallgeese and gzk!

How can a leg that's in the back/rear in any given stance be on THE WRONG SIDE of the body? Unless someone is built uniquely differently than everyone else...me...then my leg ISN'T on the wrong side of my body; it's right where it belongs. My legs are on opposite sides, right/left, and I sure hope that both my right and left aren't on the same side. I've got to have one leg either in the front or in the back; therefore, one legs got to be somewhere, and in the BACK LEG side thrusting kick, I've got to have one of my legs in the BACK! Hence the name, BACK LEG side thrusting kick!

IMHO, I've noticed that no matter the division, especially the Traditional/Okinawa/Japanese divisions, there are way to many Kiai's. When I see someone perform a "traditional" Kata, for example, Unsu, and the competitor does more Kiai's than the Kata was intended for, as a judge, I start deducting after the two Kiai's as prescribed in Unsu! Why do competitors at the Diamond Nationals and/or the AKA Grand Nationals, for example, feel that they have to do so many Kiai's? The competitors will Kiai at least 8 times, and this is before Unsu even begins; while they walk in the ring, before they walk in the ring, turning to face the judges, and on and on and on. Possibly the excessive Kiai's are ok in the other divisions, but, NOT in the "traditional" divisions, imho! Would they do the more than the prescribed amount of Kiai during their Rank test? I doubt it! So, why do they feel that it's ok during the "traditional" divisions at these big tournaments? Because when someone did it the first time, no judge said a thing about it and/or no deductions were given. Therefore, the Kata is lost, imho, because one can't see the forest because of all of the trees/Kiai's!

Check out the latest Black Belt Magazine, issue September 2009, "Keep It Simple" by Terry L. Wilson, pages 100 - 102. As an Okinawan practitioner, I was glad to see the WRIST GRABS used in the many Tuite examples. Does this prove anything? Yes/No! YES: Shows that the wrists ARE grabbed/siezed, even though the Shinmei Shorin-ryu practitioner was initiating the wrists in the Tuite. NO: No matter how much one is shown something, if someone is dead set against its effectiveness, nothing will change their mind. My point is, if I have one, having your wrists grabbed/seized and/or you grabbing/seizing your attackers wrists DOES happen, Imho!

No!...Simple answer to a simple question! BUT, don't listen to any of us UNLESS one of us is a board-certified MEDICAL DOCTOR!

Having reached my 50's, I do think about it [death] from time to time, not often, but, often enough to know that I don't like to think about it; it's depressing, the finality of it all and that. Ok...that's enough for me! Hey, at least I'm not reading the obits to see if I'm listed!

Would you take lessons from and/or train with an overweight instructor?

Why isn't this Kata, Wankan, performed much, if at all, at any tournaments, yesteryear or today? Yes, it's the shortest Kata, but, it's a powerful Kata, it's an advanced Kata. The Bunkai of this Kata are stunning with its dynamic sequences of attack and defense. No, Wankan isn't as exciting to watch as Unsu is, but, it's message shouldn't be lost with the misunderstandings of this powerful Kata by the untrained Karateka's. Perhaps, it's just me, but, I'm slightly perplexed as to why Wankan is being ignored by the Karateka masses!

Fast as a speeding bullet! Fast as greased lighting! Fast as a flash! Faster than light! Faster than a kiss! Faster than a blink! However one might describe themselves as to their martial arts speed, it's only as fleeting as one might imagine it to be. Yes, having consistent speed in the martial arts can't be ignored as showboating, for what one can't see, one can't defend against! Speed, and having it, are essential to any martial artist! How one obtains breath-taking speed, maintains/improves ones speed, and how to intercept said speed have been debated/discussed for along time amongst martial artists, and will be debated/discussed for many years to come and then some. How fast am I? I don't have to be fast; I just have to be effective!

Once I die; I won't think about death any more!

Thank you! :::High five::: to Ed!

Nice compilation! Thanks Patrick!

While failing can be a very disappointing feeling, passing a test is fantastic! In the martial arts, we must have trials and tribulations, as in life. Pass and failure must go hand in hand; the Yin and Yang of tests. One must have both the good as well as the bad; can't have one without the other. In that, one must fail first before one can truly appreciate a passed test! If one passed every Kyu/Dan test before him/her, there would be nothing positive of the experience in testing. Huh? After awhile, all of the tests would just become one long thing, nothing special, nothing to gain, and nothing to learn. I've failed my share of tests and I'm glad I did. Anything of worth shouldn't be easy...ever! I failed my Hachidan in Kobudo the first time I took it, but, this experience made me a better martial artist across the board. Hence, I passed my Hachidan Kobudo test the second time around. I failed my Shindokan Hachidan...THREE times! Yet, these 3 failures didn't go ignored! No way! Each of these failures made me appreciate just how much harder I had to work than the times before. I knew where I kept messing up, but, I didn't let these failures dictate whom I was. I'm complete in my totality NOT because of my success', but, because of my many failures. Show me someone's who passed every test and I'll show you someone who's never been truly tested! While I expected to pass each and every test, I didn't! I wasn't sitting on the testing board, I was BEING tested BY the testing board. One runs the risk of being failed, it's bound to happen when one is being tested by someone and/or somebodies. Emotions do run amuck when one fails, it's normal. Shake it off, and know this, you will test again and this has helped me through each and every failed test(s)! A failed test might feel like the end of the world, but, it's not, it's just another opportunity in ones continuing martial arts journey.

Second times a charm, in my case...I finally passed! I failed my first Kobudo Hachidan test in 2007. NO MORE TESTING FOR ME...EVER! [Thank God!]

Don't you love it when you go to the doctor because of a martial arts related injury and when you tell the doctor how it happened, the doctor says..."Why? Why would you do that willingly?" How do we usually reply? "Because it's fun and I love it!" Doctors will usually just shake their heads in disbelief and just say..."OK?!?" My favorite is when a doctor says..."Obviously you're not that good at it, were you?" No doc, stuff just happens!

I get a kick out of the people watching a weapons demo because you can see them from time to time flitch because they were very sure that the weapons practitioner was going to let go of said weapon, and that the weapon was going to come flying towards them, and then they were going to get hit with said weapon. Then at almost the same instance, they breath a sigh of relief when they discover that that fear didn't come to realization. While I get a kick out of seeing this from spectators, I can understand their uneasyness because it would surely hurt to be hit by an out-of-control weapon. Is the applause from the spectators for the practitioners skill, or, is it because they weren't hit by said weapon? I'd say...both! They're very glad that the skill of the practitioner prevented them from being hit by any weapon.

Does anybody have any other martial arts FEATS to list in this thread? Whether one likes or dislikes the word 'feats' and 'martial arts' used together, they're there for us to admire or for us to be repulsed. Either way, humans are very curious, and this example is brought to the light everyday when one's driving and they come upon a traffic accident...we've just got to look at it! I'm not saying that any martial arts feat is a good/bad thing for the martial arts. I'm just saying...it's just something to look at!

Aren't the laymen of the world concerning the martial arts so....cute! They say the darnest things!

OK?!? It's just a topic, not a do all to end all topic, but, it's just a topic. I don't doubt the complete totality of any martial artist, therefore, just because I'd love to do the 100 Man Kumite, it doesn't mean that I don't understand my style of Karate either.