AndrewGreen

Not really, More of a training method. Style is individual

Integration. Simply doing Wrestling & Boxing & jiujitsu doesn't mean you are doing MMA. The ranges and skills need to be integrated. So you need to be sparring with all forms of strikes, clinch work, throws, Strikes on the ground, submission, etc. All one package, not 4 seperate things .

I Know!!! I know!!! It's the ultra secret technique known as "The little red X dim mak death choke"

If you want your stuff to be effective you need to train it against resistance. If you train it against resistance it will take on sporting qualities. So if you are doing something effective it will resemble sport. Plus, the "rules" have to mimic reality and often can change to train specific elements. The "too deadly for sport" is silly reasoning in my opinion. Usually techniques that are considered "too deadly" means "don't work". Want eye gouges, spar with safety goggles. Want groin strikes? get a good cup.

First step: Get over that. If you hate teaching kids you will continue to do poor at it. Relax, have fun, develop skills through gameplay. Don't try to teach a group of kids like a group of adults.

Depends on who you ask. Not everyone thinks he is all that great.

Depends on who teaches it to you. Kata can vary a lot amongst different lineages.

Pay attention to the name of the forum when you look at the results. If your not doing kata your not doing karate, its that simple. Kata is bad = karate is bad This is a karate forum. That said, I voted cultural dance, I see no fighting viable fighting application to the training method, and to 99% of the movements contained. The posture & structure is simply "wrong" for that goal.

I spar MMA all the time, with everyone, all ages, kids, adults, doesn't matter. I find it much safer then point fighting. In a competitive format things change though.

Oh man have you been brain washed... I mean your right, Advincula is the God of all things Isshin ryu.

I'm a right handed south paw. MMA, not boxing though. But when I train boxing its strong side lead.

It is a common thing to reply. If you can't see the value in it you don't really understand it. Well if it takes 40 years to see the value, what value is it? Have any of you that say it is important ever trained without it for any length of time? I can probably do ~40 kata, I've forgotten quite a few. Studied the bunkai, the mechanics, everything for a long time. Taught all of that as well. Now I see it for what it is, a dance. I quit making the silly excuses and seeing things that weren't there. I gave it a shoot, it was a lost cause. After all that I now feel that kata is counterproductive to learning self-defence/fighting. it has its uses, so does tae bo and dance class.

Nope, try again. It's been done many times with little blood shed and broken bones. There are plenty of full contact combat sports. I assume you've at least heard of boxing? Muay Thai? MMA? K1? Vale Tudo?

Perhaps we all need to agree that we disagree that warpspider is either a complete psycho or a stupid kid trying to be tough and ignore him. It's going nowhere.

The payment is going to be there either way. Whether it is in the form of monthly payments or testing fees, the rent needs to get paid. And why can't there be a standard within cardio? Perhaps the best standard is simply still being there so many months down. Isn't that the biggest accomplishment in a fitness program anyway, staying with it.

It would be far more beneficial to practice movements the way you would use them. Imagine learning baseball and spending most of your time working your swing in a way you wouldn't use it, a way which gives you "clues". It wouldn't help much and would teach you bad habits. If it was done with the hands high and only once and a while I might believe that. But every single punch!?! That is just silly. Learn to punch and retract to a guard position, once you can do that you can add lop sau's if you want. Again, not needed, you can teach that without and not build bad habits by doing it this way. This is stylization, making it look good. And I find it hard to believe that anyone that knows how to fight in all ranges with limited/no rules can find kata useful for that purpose. Now I will never say they cannot be used, but I will say that there are far better and more effective training methods. To the point where kata is not helpful, and can in fact be counterproductive. I believe that anything that can be gained from kata, except when you treat it as a cultural dance, can be better gained through other training methods. If you want to understand physics Aristotle is better then nothing, but you'd be better off studying more modern works. Studying Aristotle as anything except historical study would be counterproductive. Same as kata.

perhaps you didn't read my post. I can show you all sorts of "fighting" applications, so what? The training method is faulty no matter what applications you "know". The movements are stylised and the postures need modification. (ex hand on hip, shoulders down, chin up) "I am just beginning my journey in martial arts, but I've already come to the realization that some only care about the "fighting" aspect of martial arts. " Sure, some do, but what does this have to do with kata? It is entirely possible to think kata are basically a cultural dance and not care about fighting.

Thats not Mixed Martial Arts... well ok in a sense it is but not what is usually meant by MMA. Anyway, welcome to the world of open tournaments. Thats the way it is. The goal is to convince the judges to give you the most points. Doesn't matter how many you think you got, or how many they think they got. What matters is your ability to convince the judges to give you points.

So basically a group of guys with no real training goofing around in the backyard trying to act out there D&D fantasies then? How about this question, define "Paladin", not what you do, in a historical sense

Kata for 15 years. Dissected and annalysed them to death. Can show countless applications to every move. What it means after all that? It's like a cultural dance, little more then that. No real benefit for learning to fight and can be counterproductive if functional skills are your goal.

Shooting, biting, stabbing, fish-hooking, ear-boxing, hitting over the head with a rock, fighting on very hard surfaces (such as asphault) without protective gear. Oh, that's more than one. All can be done safely in sparring with appropriate gear. Shooting - Paintball biting - don't bite hard, some groups DO train this in sparring Stabbing - Don't use live blades. Fish hooking - Don't rip it to hard etc. Use apropriate safety gear. Use apropriate safety gear. What about the things you cannot test? I understand that the fastest way to take an opponent down when shooting him is to hit the cerebral cortex or the upper nervous system. I understand why, and have reasearched it; but I have not tried shooting people to find out. So shoot targets, play with paint balls and laser guns. Do that and you'll get the skill. Just doing the research won't give you anything. I train with weapons all the time. Use protective equipment when necessary. Pretty good idea. It's not hard to figure out. But should it fail be prepared to follow up as necessary. It's not just testing to see if it works, it;s learning to do it against resistance. You know that getting cracked across the head with a stick, so do the dog brothers. Who do you think is more likely to get cracked across the head? The guy that spends the most time cracking people across the head with a stick. yes they wear masks, take them off and they will hurt you more, but it will be them doing the hurting. Not the guy that studies anatomy and practices hitting against someone who is dummying for them. If Treebranch's comment that Kimo broke the fence with Gracie; what would have been different is the material of teh surroundings. Getting your head slammed into chain-link or boxing-ring canvas can be disorienting... getting it slammed into a concrete wall or tile floor will kill you. That said, I'm only passingly familir with the fight, and therefore commenting from the posts here rather than having watched that particular match. The gate opened, I believe it was Kimo up against it. Royce won, Kimo lost. All the "what ifs" in the world won't change the fact that Royce beat Kimo in a no rules fight.

References please. Apart from perhaps saying this as a joke, I really doubt it. He was a wrestler, then a pro wrestler, then a shoot fighter. No ninjitsu or aikido.

What didn't he do that you think he would have done in a "street fight" and what is the relevance? Who said it was? All of the Gracie's have loses now (except Rickson, but he doesn't fight anymore) Pure BJJ will not get you far in MMA anymore. Many MMA fighters don't even do BJJ. But ALL have a fighting style which has been influneced by BJJ. It is a competition, thats all. Not a "art", not a "style" a competition. Get that through your head. Name me ONE thing, just one, that is effective and cannot be trained using MMA methods? You can't, because it is not a style. It can have whatever you want. If you want to focus primarily on eye gouges put some goggles on and go at it. All it is is a approach. Test everything, do whatever you can make work. Is point fighting all there is to Karate & Tae Kwon Do?

I'd like to see a reference to him doing aikido or ninjitsu, or even Juijitsu. I know he was reported to have done a little BJJ in the early days, afterall he was going to fight a Gracie he needed to know what to do. But his style is usually listed as Submission Wrestling or Pro Wrestling. Some Muay Thai as well. But ninjitsu and aikido, I'd be very surprised.

Sakuraba was a pro wrestler before going into "real" fights.