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Sano, by the tone of your post I see that you are not very knowledgeable of both Traditional and Modern styles. I cant argue a point with some one that clearly doesnt understand the basics, its like a human trying to argue physics with a chimp. The chimp simply doesnt understand. So now, I will educate you, as this forum is all about trying to deepen peoples understanding of all styles. For you to say that to beat a BJJ practioner let alone an actual GRACIE is to just 'stand them up' is foolish. If you have seen any of the early UFC's you'll see that its not that simple. Even very talented Japanese Karate men have lost out to BJJers. One simple reason ITS THE KARATE MEN THAT CANT STAY ON THEIR FEET! There're to busy landing on there back sides and getting tapped out. I resently downloaded a video from mcdojo/b u l l s h i d o.com, showing a Kung Fu man vs a 17 year old BJJer known as Royce. The Kung Fu man was very fit, toned and could strike hard. However due to his total lack of grappling he was taken to the ground and tapped. However, what was important about this video, was that it shows that grapplers can hit. There were lots of elbows and punchs coming from Royce and the Kung Fu practioner was totally dominated. Let me make it clear that I'm not arguing that BJJ rules the roost, or thats a super style. I happen to like it alot and believe that it should be a part of all styles. A lack of grappling knowledge simply makes you ignorant to the truth. I believe this is true as a very talented Yoshinkan Aikido practioner called Mits Yamashita Sensei challenged HELIO GRACIE (Founder of BJJ). Yamashita Sensei, at the age of 21 (I think) was held down by the 70+ year old Helio. This shows the power of BJJ, not just for the young, but all ages and sizes and for this reason it requires YOUR respect. I've seen more aggressive Karate guys than I ever have BJJ. Actually the Grapplers in general are more down to earth, from MY experience. Perhaps we are all guilty of generalising and need to open our minds more and not care what negative things people say about us and what we practice. As for Emin, well, its not like hes the most influenential member of the MA community. Bottom line is that if he wanted to fight a Gracie in MMA, he probably could very easily, the fact that he hasnt shows something about him.

So let me get this strait, you hate the Gracies because: One, their style has won more full contact competitions than yours or mine or any for that matter will ever win. Two, people that practice BJJ are proud of that fact and are willing (in most cases) to fight to prove it. I'd like to point out that I'm a very traditional practioner myself. As people will know from this board, however, that does not mean I can say 'oh the GREAT and MIGHTY masters from the past could easily beat these pathetic sport practioners!' I recognise that these ATHLETES are amazing, train harder than I'll ever be able too and no offence Sano, more than you'll be able to. So, the only way for you to really come on a board and preach at them to stop LOVING their style is to fight them and put them in thier place..... Can you really do that?!

But a good Pure Grappler is always going to have the up on a good Pure Striker. The simple reason for that is that its easier to take someone to the floor and tap them than it is trying to stop them taking you to the floor. The force of gravity works against us.

Just a correction, I ment Hiji jime which is a standing arm bar, different to a flying armbar. The technique that goshinman is trying to discribe is actually called Udegarame-nage. Which is the Kimura (BJJ name) or Udegarme (Drooping Tulips/Judo name) from a standing position into a throw, hence the 'nage' ending. Cheers.

I think something like Nikkyo and juji jime can be pretty painful. Also, rear naked, Sangaku (triangle choke) and Juji gatame.

14!! TO OLD!!! What did you think that only Japanese kids could practice Judo from the tender age of 2...... Judo the acient art practiced only in Temples across Japan! Silly lad, no your not to old!

A challenge has been put down by the Emin, but why should the Gracies fight seeing as they rule the MMA sene anyway. Its his job to come to them. Did the Wing Chun guy by any chance tell you that his techniques were 'to deadly' to practice under MMA rules. If he cant win with rules what chance does he have with out them! ps 'cause he scaried the legendary gracies out of a fight.' - I doubt it. The only challenge that I know of, is the William Cheung fight. Where Emin tackled Cheung to the ground and hit him. By the looks of it they both needed to do some grappling! There was no reason for Cheung to lose if he is a 'master', is this is measure of Wing Chun?! I hope not. Also, getting back on track, anyone that walks up to you and shouts the supremacy of their style is not worth listening to. Unless they do BJJ, apparently its part of thier syllabus.

The Hobbit is pants! The 3rd film was bloody amazing! Although, they could make films of the Silmarilion which would be even better!

Hmm.... JKA is not the best organisation that Karate is promoted under. Their evolution of ideas from: We cant hit in Kumite because we will kill eachother (IN Funakoshi's time quite believeable) We can hit but we'll pull our punchs.... ok To now which is we'll play tag and pretend we can kill eachother. Personally I think the Shotokai umbrella is a good way to go.

It would depend on the level of the partner. If I was training with a 1st Kyu or above then give it 100%. They should know there own limitations. For the other grades use your own judgment. If you hear a crack its gone to far.....

Ok. An Aikido beatdown hurray! Ok, firstly if the Aikidoka doesnt do a lot of Randori and Jiyu Waza (free fighting) then he's a dead man. Second, the deadly boxers jab. It is indeed nasty, but that same jab is just as difficult for a BJJ, Judo, Krav Maga, TaiChi, MT and EVEN a boxer to deal with. Thirdly, taisabaki is the answer to alot of the low cut kicks and jabs. Again lots of full contact training required. Ki, well thats for another thread. But I personally believe its a word used to discribe balance, power, relaxation and a state of mind and not about floating in mid air! Oh and Segal has great Aikido, shame he's such a *.

No offence Shotokan, but you obviously know very little about Funakoshi Sensei, that cross trained in numerous arts to create Shotokan. How long have you been doing Shotokan to come out with such a claim to say that your dedicating your life to it. No disrespect, I used to do Shotokan myself, I liked the style. But I used to be of the very one sided approach when it comes to Ki Aikido, however now other styles only enrich my Aikido and never take anything away from it.

You see it as a bunch of "blocks". How profound, right that little jem down.

Hsing I is great, atleast IMHO. But I dont think it would really completement Karate very well.

Your doing a different style of MA, this is to be expected. I wouldnt flout your Karate achievements around or your probably not going to get on with the instructor.

I think if you sweet a lot and dont bleed to much your in a good club.

JJ schools becoming like Judo? Thats a bad thing because..................? There are bad instructors reguardless of style or popularity.

Lone Wolf, your not typing American your typing English, remember that. Aikido is superior to them both, and for a very simple reason, BECAUSE I SAY SO!!!! MWMWMWMWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Another good point is that there is NO Karate is traditional Japanese Jujutsu, as they were developed hundreds of miles away from each other. Its clear to see that Karate was mainly influenced by the southern Chinese Styles, were as Jujutsu was influenced by Shaolin Chin Na. From my own experiences with Shotokan Karate and Judo, I prefer Judo. Thats my preference and in no way defaceing the Karate community. They are both cool arts, but you might prefer one over the other.

There are so many great texts, but I think probably "The art of peace" which is a series of peoms by O Sensei has really helped me get over some stuff. Anger White Pyjama's is also a good book. I have taken so much from so many books its really impossible to say which is the best, depends on my mood at the time.

Aikido is in most cases a soft style, were as Judo is hard. But at the higher levels of practice, both stylists are very light and powerful. Ofcourse Judo has lots of full resistance training and ground work practice, in addition to standing work. But this is usually restricted to different grips on the Gi. Aikido works on the assumtion that Ki excists, (I believe it does) and so all the movements are based on that idea. Theres a fantastic thread on the Aiki web that discribes Aikido training better than I could, so heres the link: "My answer to the big question" http://www.aikiweb.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=4038

Well, as with all the Wudang Kung fu, Qi Kung is central to the developement of power. So perhaps you could find yourself a Qi Kung class. Learning from a books really wont be any good, but anything by Sifu Smith, Sifu Sun Lu Tang or Sifu Yang Jwing Ming is a good place to find some info.

"bjj its more a sport than anything else and is ineffective in any form for actual combat" Even as a major traditional martial artist supporter, this is even too much for me..... n00B!

"Pankration (combination of Muay Thai and Submission Wrestling)." So a GREEK art, has moves from a art all the way from THAILAND! Some 5000 miles east, when the Greek Empire bearly brenched its own nations borders.......

Trust me, although the arts do have over lap, thats bacially what they are.

"Stay on topic." - noob!