bushido_man96

I recall your training experiences in regards to TKDs kicks, and I recall that you spent a brief time training in TKD to learn from them, and gain a better understanding of dealing with TKD kicks. I'd propose a similar rout in a non-grappling style, by seeking out a grappling style to supplement training, and learn better how to deal with grappling.

I think this sums it up best. Great post.

Welcome to KF, both of you!

Congrats!

11/2/2021 Strength Training Power Clean: 135x3, 145x3. Deadlifts: 160x5, 225x3, 285x1, 320x5. Bench Press: 45x5x2, 115x5, 155x3, 205x1, 222.5x5, 222.5x5, 222.5x5. Lat Pull-downs: 125x10, 125x10, 125x10. Used power cleans as the first few warmups to the deadlift. Bench went very smoothly for all three sets.

Again, the practitioner is that which is ineffective, and not the style. If a style doesn't have this or that, I'm quite sure that that said style has other means to skin the cat. Based on what you're saying here, means that I have to step outside my style to learn grappling, so that I can be effective. Because my style doesn't have a grappling focus....it's not ineffective, but I am, because I didn't learn grappling from my style that doesn't teach grappling...

What makes you believe that the Okinawans didn't already have a "complete" system before their interactions with the Chinese? I don't think they needed Chinese influence to "complete" their systems. I think that they, like us today, liked to seek out others to see what they had to offer. I don't think the Chinese systems of the day would have been any more "complete" than the Okinawan systems of the day. tallgeese makes very good points about how the systems of those times evolved based on what kind of combat they had to face. Defenses against swords and spears differ greatly from those of today, where knives and firearms are commonplace.

I see some good points here, but I also see some issues. Most of this style vs. style banter started during the first UFCs, when ground fighting came to the forefront as a most effective form of combat. I'll be the first to admit that my style, TKD, doesn't have an effective foundation for fighting from the ground. It is very limited, and most schools don't practice it much, if at all. There are other styles out there that don't have an effectual ground component at this time, either; styles like Muay Thai, Boxing, some Karate styles, etc. The Krav Maga that I've studied has some ground components in it, but they are mostly focused around improving position and getting off the ground, as opposed to staying on the ground and fighting. So a new question pops up. If my style does not have ground fighting, is it not effective? Or is it just not effective against ground fighting?

That's a great analogy, Bob. Love it! I agree that it is important for us to share what we can with those who are willing to learn.

10/29/2021 Strength Training Bench Press: 45x5x2, 110x5, 150x3, 205x1, 220x5, 220x5, 220x5. Power Clean & Jerk: 115x2, 130x2, 130x2, 130x2, 130x2, 130x2. Lat Pull-downs: 117.5x10, 117.5x10, 117.5x10. The deload is really helping to smooth out technique issues on the bench. Clean and jerks were all pretty smooth, in both split and rack. 11/1/2021 Strength Training Squats: 45x5x2, 155x5, 225x3, 275x1, 317.5x5, 317.5x5, 317.5x5. Press: 45x5x2, 75x5, 95x3, 135x1, 152.5x5, 152.5x5, 152.5x5. Power Snatch: 65x2, 75x2, 80x2, 80x2, 80x2, 80x2, 80x2. Lat Pull-downs: 120x10, 120x10, 120x10. A little under the weather, and squat seemed heavy. But I pushed through it. I decided I wanted to start practicing the power snatch, and Monday seems to be the best day of the week to add it in. This way, I'll also be pulling from the floor three times per week. It wasn't a heavy snatch, but I need to work on the technique, and its such a long pull. I'm landing in a split, just like with the cleans. I look forward to pushing the weight up.

I also noticed that it appeared that your partner just let go. But it also seems odd to grab both wrists, too. It seems more likely that one wrist would be grabbed, and the other hand used as a weapon to strike.

10/28/2021 Strength Training Squats: 45x5x2, 155x5, 225x3, 275x1, 315x5, 315x5, 315x5. Press: 45x5x2, 75x5, 95x3, 135x1, 150x5, 150x5, 150x5. Lat Pull-downs: 115x10, 115x10, 115x10. Squats were heavy today. Press felt good, but my right shoulder was aching a little.

10/26/2021 Strength Training Deadlifts: 135x5, 225x3, 275x1, 315x5. Bench Press: 45x5x2, 110x5, 150x3, 190x1, 217.5x5, 217.5x5, 217.5x5. Lat Pull-downs: 112.5x10, 112.5x10, 112.5x10. I didn't deload the deadlift near as much as everything else. Bench technique was pretty good today. A rep on each set kind of went weird, but otherwise, the sets were pretty clean. 2 1/2 lb jumps it is, going forward.

I think he might have meant to type "taking," but am not sure. Possibly an auto-correct issue?

10/25/2021 Strength Training Squats: 45x5x2, 155x5, 225x3, 275x1, 310x5, 310x5, 310x5. Press: 45x5x2, 75x5, 95x3, 135x1, 147.5x5, 147.5x5, 147.5x5. Lat Pull-downs: 110x10, 110x10, 110x10.

Great news indeed!

Now that's an extreme circumstance! If you've got one loaded, that is....I believe it was Matsumura "Bushi" Sokon who said "an effective karateka always keeps one loaded."

In my limited history with aikido that’s what I found. However, in their defense, many of those wrist techniques hold the real potential of breaking joints without compliance by uke. ...sometimes. I've been on the other end of it at times, when there was no risk to me having anything broken, and I can either choose to roll with it for them, or just walk out of it.

10/22/2021 Strength Training Bench Press: 45x5x2, 110x5, 150x3, 190x1, 215x5, 215x5, 215x5. Power Clean & Jerk: 115x2, 125x2, 125x2, 125x2, 125x2, 125x2. The deload continues with this workout. Hopefully, I'll be able to clean up some form on the bench press. Both the splits and the racks felt good on clean and jerk, but I had issues with the recovery.

Welcome to KF! We look forward to hearing your experiences!

10/20/2021 TKD Class: 6:30 - 7:10 pm. T-Shirt Class. I was the only one in the room this night, so after some work on the speed bag, I did a half hour of forms. 19 forms in all, Chon Ji up through Choong Jang; should have been 20 forms total, but for some odd reason, I left out Gae Baek. After forms, I spent about 10 minutes stretching. 10/21/2021 Strength Training Squats: 45x5x2, 155x5, 215x3, 275x1, 305x5, 305x5, 305x5. Press: 45x5x2, 75x5, 95x3, 130x1, 145x5, 145x5, 145x5. Missed several days of training, and was sick early Tuesday morning. So, 10% backoff, and working back up. I've also streamlined my warmup weight selection, so I'll be more consistent with that.

Half squats are a bad idea. Half squats will cause more damage to your knee than a full squat will. After a TKD class, my knees hurt. After a good squatting session, they don't hurt. If you do a high bar squat, in which the bar sets high on your traps, it causes your body to keep a more vertical back angle in order to keep the lifter/barbell system balanced over the the mid-foot. This high-bar squat causes the knees to slide well forward of the toes, and will cause knee pain and also ignore most of the musculature in the hamstrings and butt. You can perform a low-bar squat, in which the bar sets lower on the back, right under the ridge of the scapulae, and you lock your back into its natural lumbar extension, and then squat down by reaching your butt back and bending over somewhat, creating a more horizontal back angle as you descend. You keep your knees shoved out, and this "butt back/leaned over" descent, when done properly, minimizes the amount of knee slide, and uses all of the hips to drive the weight back up out of the hole. This squat method is much easier on the knees, and gets you to build strength in the full range of motion. I, for one, won't take any strength training advice from a doctor. Not many of them strength train, and therefore they can't offer helpful advice, and often times offer really bad advice, like that of recommending half-squats, which are horrible on the knees. I'd be willing to bet that your knee pain gets even more aggravated when kicking the air. Years and years of kicking during forms, basics, and one-steps, snapping the leg out without making contact with anything, has taken it's toll on my knees. I'd suggest that any kicking you do with that leg, you should probably do at less than full power, and really baby it towards the lockout.

He's definitely putting his body into his techniques.

Internal arts to me means how one uses their whole body in a natural way instead of use brute strenght and speed to over come your opponet.. I find this an interesting take, and look forward to further discussion.I find it interesting because for some individuals, speed and/or strength are natural physical attributes. And strength is an attribute that just about everyone can increase with proper training. So, for such people, using speed and/or strength is a natural thing. Thoughts?