bushido_man96

This is, in no way, anyone's responsibility. Just walk away from the situation. I agree. You don't know if this guy is thinking "fight" or if he is thinking "kill." If you go into it thinking "I'll teach this guy a lesson" and he is thinking "I'm going to kill this guy," you will probably be in for a big surprise. Its just best to let it be, if at all possible.

I just caught up with this thread. Really good stuff. Fantastic video, tallgeese, and really clears some things up for me. When I have done a few of the grappling classes from our LEC instructor, the things he messed with the most was getting to a better position, and getting up or into position to "confirm" the arrest, for lack of a better term at the moment. Thanks for putting that up. Something to also consider, from an LEO perspective, is that if the guy has buddies showing up, the force levels can go up for us, especially if we are outnumbered. On a side note, I mentioned to our under-Sheriff when he asked what I wanted to specialize in, was Defensive Tactics. I am going to do some looking for this kind of training and see if I can start convincing the powers that be that we need this stuff. Because we do. I need to show this to my DT partner, too, because he has a really anti-grappling attitude to DT training. And I don't blame him, but knowledge is power. I think he will appreciate this kind of positional approach to training it. One thing I have seen needing addressed, and you addressed it at about 1:04, was not getting into a tug-of-war with a suspect needing to be controlled. I like how you demonstrated going into the body lock, since you are being pulled that way anyways. You can add your momentum going forward to them pulling away...very valuable.

I think this kid absolutely did what he had to do. He fought back once, and hopefully it pays off for the rest of his life. No kid should have to suffer through what he did.

I don't think there is anything wrong with doing it this way. But, I also see the value of putting the pressure on in a testing situation. I think its important for someone to learn what that nervousness feels like, and be able to overcome it in that testing environment. Learning how to "step up" is good for character development, as well.

7/22/2011 SL 5x5A Squats: warmup: 45x5x2, 135x5, 205x3, 225x2; work: 255x5x5 Bench press: warmup: 45x5x2, 135x5, 155x3, 175x2; work: 210x5x5 Barbell rows: warmup: 75x5x2, 95x3, 105x2; work: 145x5,5,5,5,4 Power clean: 135x5 Dips: 3x5 Stretch: quads on the floor, and front kick bar stretch. I have been cheating on my barbell rows, so I may have to drop weight there and build back up. I was 'dipping' my chest to the bar a bit, instead of keeping my upper body still and pulling the weight completely to my chest. Need to work on that.

Nice knockout. It looked like he tried a spinning technique earlier in the round, too; a spinning hook or back kick. He must like to spin.

On youtube, this Cannuck gives me a pretty good interpretation of Kata apps. I rather like these. Pretty simple and short. Aside from the form showing the moves, why not just go right into partner training in the first place? That would be great, and much more productive in the end, I think. I think there tends to be a misconception that the form has to come first, before the bunkai. I think learning them both right then and there can be very beneficial.

Perhaps when you come down, Bob, you can show me this kata. In TKD, we do a form that seems to have a "back to the wall" theme, called Po Eun. We do it at 2nd degree black, though. I do think Choi might have pulled some of Niahanchi for it.

It was a very interesting interview. I think its great that he is motivated, dedicated, and he definitely has a goal.

If you ask me, the guy isn't really doing anything all that special. It doesn't have anything to do with "internal" or "external," but more about body position, body mechanics, and which way you push or pull someone when they are in a certain position. This kind of thing isn't relegated to the Far East, either. I've read old articles about English "parlor tricks" performed using similar body mechanics.

By "emptying my cup," I try to keep an open mind to whenever someone else comes along and offers to show me how to do things. That doesn't mean I don't still like the way I do things, but I do use those opportunities to learn. To take over 15 years of training and to "empty" all of what I know, I will not be likely to do. But, I will present an open mind, and willingness to learn and try.

If you add eye gouging, fish-hooking, and biting, you've sorta got an early UFC. I just have a hard time seeing some members of the Gracie family not pulling guard against an unskilled opponent. If we're discussing a fight where we've got more real life variables like weapons and multiple attackers, nobody would deliberately get into a fight. I agree. You fight like you train, and a Gracie would likely street fight on the ground when given the chance. Someone with that kind of skill, though, could likely pull it off quick. I agree with you here, too. There is a different between a "fight" and an "attack." An attack is usually going to put someone behind the 8 ball real fast, because they didn't see it coming. That person probably ends up falling down a lot of the time, too.

It would be kind of fun to learn. The extent of my "tricking" capabilites is a 360 crescent kick, and a 360 hook or side kick...and they aren't that great, either.

I agree with you here completely. I was, or am, that way. At the time, it definitely was about the belt; it was a huge goal of mine. After that, and as I've spent more years in, you start to realize what more there is, and what else it is about. I think this happens to many of us over the years. I had to start over in a different TKD organization, too. I'm glad I had been around for several years in the arts, and had achieved that level of maturity to understand that even though I was wearing a white belt, it isn't what I was. Looking back, it was a good experience.

I think wanting to teach is a fantastic goal. Not everyone can do it well, that is for sure.

I think most of them have decent punching technique. They do pretty good jabs, crosses, and hooks, I think. Most of their defense involves covering and moving, and not outright blocking of punches. Much like Boxing does.

Welcome to KF!

7/18/2011 SL 5x5A Squats: warmup: 45x5x2, 135x5, 205x3, 225x2; work: 245x5x5 Bench press: warmup: 45x5x2, 135x5, 155x3, 175x2; work: 205x5x5 Barbell rows: warmup: 75x5x2, 95x3, 105x2; work: 145x5x5 Power cleans: 125x5 Dips: 5,5 Stretch: quads, front kick bar stretch. TKD class: 6:00 - 7:00. Basics, forms (several black belt forms), one-steps, sparring. Brief seated straddle stretch afterwards. 7/20/2011 SL 5x5B Squats: warmup: 45x5x2, 135x5, 205x3, 225x2; work: 250x5x5 Overhead press: warmup: 45x5x2, 65x3, 85x2; work: 125x5x5 Dead lift: warmup: 135x5, 175x5, 210x5; work: 300x5 Stretch: quads. The overhead press is getting tough, and the last rep of the last two sets was a grunter to get up. The dead lift is my first ever 300# lift. I was pretty pumped.

I offer my condolences as well.

I agree, Bob, if they are intertwined with each other, and not done independent of each other. I guess I'd like to see how they chain together and go seemlessly with each other, and not be kihon, THEN kata, THEN kumite. If that makes sense.... I never had either. What I've seen and learned on this site from others has caused me to go research these things on my own, and I do see loads of potential in the use of forms and applications together. In my opinion, with the use of forms applications, I would prefer to see the use of one-step sparring in my school become obsolete.

I agree with your assessment here. I think that doing paired work on the applications is a much more productive use of class time than spending it on solo forms practice. I would love to do more things like this, aside from our one-step sparring that we do. Given a chance, it should evolve and become more interactive as time goes on and experience grows.

You mentioned counter-puncher; how about counter-kicker? You could also require a staple move for anytime a combination is thrown; like a hook punch, or a hook kick, for example. As for the grappling part of it, you assign different "missions" for the fighters. For instance, one draws a card that says they can only win with a choke from side mount (however practical this is; I'm not a grappler...yet), or one can only win after sweeping his opponent. Things like that to make them focus on different moves and setups, particularly ones they are uncomfortable with.

I'd call that a bait. I guess by giving them an opportunity, you still remain the one being attacked; although a foolish idea, I think. Anybody can get lucky, and I know my luck is terrible as it is, so I wouldn't try anything like that. I'm not saying you would either, but I see what you are getting at here, as well.

Actually, studies have shown that muscles help to insulate the body better from damage. So, having big muscles helps with being "tough." That's probably a big part of why most of the professional fighters out there are well muscled guys. I beg to differ on this as well. Being bigger and stronger than your opponent is a significant attribute in fighting and self-defense; that's why they created weight classes in professional combat sports. Its also the reason why in justifying a use of force, the size of the attacker can be brought into play in order to justify a higher degree of force in escaping an attack. I'm not saying you are wrong in that experience isn't valuable; it very much is. What I am saying is that you can't discount someone's size and strength as an advantage to them, either. You should also never assume that your attacker doesn't know anything about fighting. Underestimating your enemy is a good way to get thumped, too.

The data presented is what it is. Since most of us have enough control to not go out and start fights with anyone, its going to be little more than conjecture as to how things would change when a trained MAist is attacked. I think Liver Punch makes good points here, too; if you are a trained ground fighter, don't let the stats from a fight study dictate whether or not you take someone to the ground in a fight or not. I haven't read enough of the study here, but I wonder if these fights are "picked" fights, where the two combatants started off in a mouthing off contest, followed with posturing, and then came to blows, or if they were "jumped" by someone not paying attention; a surprise attack. This information could change the dynamics of the study completely.