Drunken Monkey

and once again you can only provde me with loose answers. you are making comparsions with things that cannot be compared. as for the tokamak. there is a limit on how small it can be. this is because part of the tokamak is a chamber that, near as much, has no intereference from any external fields because that would affect the field inside. tell me how you would make a small isolated chamber and i will tell you how it wouldn't work. then there is the fact that you need x amount of coils (which takes up quite a lot of physical space) as well many other parts that aid in the control of the field. not to mention the actual power supply. unless by "tank" you meant something the size of a few houses. however, going back to your original post, you seem to suggest that you could build a tokamak small enough to hold a pellet of anti-matter. this would mean that the field would have to be stronger than the effects of gravity (seeing as now we are talking about a solid piece of anti-matter and not a single particle). this seems to suggest that the tokamak would then be part of the projectile... and no, you DO NOT suspect there is nitrogen in the air that you breathe. you know it to be true. it's one of them things that we learn in school. ONCE AGAIN, another stupid comparison/statement. and no, my knowledge of anti-matter doesn't come from star trek, it comes form my physics tutor. as for teleportation, they have kinda done it with a single particle. it is, however, a totally different matter when it comes to teleporting people which is what term "beaming" implies. and the energy thing. you are comparing making a SINGLE PARTICLE of anti matter to a battery? again, this is not a valid comparison. what don't you get here? it takes MILLIONS of times of energy to make than is gotten through its annihilation. batteries are useful in that they are safe and portable. the point of looking towards annihilation is that it produces more energy from a single particle pair than we can currently get. however, if we are spending a lot more energy to make the particles than we would get, there is no point in making the anti-matter in the first place. a normal battery converts chemical energy to electrical battery. it is small, safe and portable. yes, rechargable batteries are not very efficient but then you are paying for the electricity that goes into them. the amount of power needed to make a single particle of antimatter is nothing like what you are paying to charge your batteries. we are talking about a comparison of a few dollars to a few million dollars. hopefully you can see how stupid your comparison/statement is.

ok, once is enough...

...some people read the words but don't bother to think about what they mean...

hey, how far is atlanta from chigago? sorry but i'm just a dumb londoner who has no clue about american geography...

eh???

part of it is because i want to learn everything in my martial art. i don't want to one of them kids who go to a class once a week and say they are masters. part of it is because i feel like if i don't learn it and pass it on, some day it will be lost. every time i think of things like this it really saddens me. i'm a chinese guy and my chinese is not brilliant. i can speak it fluently but i cannot read or write it. i'm going to guess that my kids will not be able to read or write it either (unless i force them to go and learn) and whether or not they speak it is also questionable. imagine what their kids will be like... the same is true with a lot of things, especially martial arts. it is a skill, a thing that has developed over time and we are privilaged to learn them, so we are obliged to learn them well, which includes all of the aspects, be it weapons, meditaion, whatever. we like to defend our arts in forums like this but what better way to defend it than by making sure we learn as much as we can and pass on the best that we can. we have to make sure that future generations are not learning inferior versions of this thing that we love. this is why i hate some aspects of the chinese culture. the old "closed door" policies has caused a lot confusion and arguments within a great many styles and i am positive that this has created a lot of opportunites for bad teaching. bad teaching in turn leads to bad martial arts being passed on. how long until our arts turns into nothing more than a dance? how many of our arts are already victims of this? so why do i learn/train in weapons? because it is my duty.

but compared to me you ARE a boy. i will openly admit to being a little old man.

and what proof do you have that they are interchangable? you can PROVE it? and what degree do you have? astro physics? quantum mechanics? nuclear physics? what experience do you have with this subject? and exact spec of the tokamak? a tokamak is just a chamber in which a toroidal magnetic field is set up (and this thing isn't small so i have no idea how you would make a small one to hold a pellet of anti-matter). the spec does not matter as, according to you, any old magnetic field would be able to hold anti-matter. so now you only suspect it could? you seem to be changing your origninal statement... if it were that simple, the star trek people wouldn't have to make up a material to contain their anti-matter. (for the record, the star trek warp speed thing doesn't work... and don't get me started on "beaming"!!!) why don't you just admit it. you read about anti-matter weapons from some game and you have no idea what you are talking about. ok, let's forget the containment thing because i know you cannot provide me any real answer. let's go back to the most basic matter (~haha~) just how will you produce your anti-matter? you say that it is the potential that matters in making weapons. well, i have already told you taht it takes millions of times more energy to create a single particle/anti-particle pair. while this pair does produce more energy in annihilation that what we would normally get from them it is still millions more times less than what we put in to begin with? please tell me what sense is there for this?

it's just that you mentioned using a tokamak, which is why i keep refering to it (the currents). you said that a tokamak can store anti-matter like it does hot plasmas. i say you can't because and i am repeating myself here, the fields in a tokamak are dependent on currents within the plasma AND currents in the coils of the tokamak. and you can't just say that it WOULD be attracted to a normal magent. yes, you are right in that anti-matter behaves in the same way but only if it iexists in an anti matter universe. you cannot mix the two worlds together like that. you go and say that any magnetic field can hold it but how will you generate this magnetic field? how can you contain it? how can you isolate it from external fields? how do you control it as it is flying to your target? (which is one of your original suggestions) and anti matter is special. it isn't made up of regular particles but of anti-protons, anti-electrons etc etc. to say that it's only difference is that it cannot be allowed contact with matter shows, once again, that you know not what you are talking about. quite simply, you cannot contain/store anti-matter easily because first of all, you have to make it and then isolate it. and you cannot use a tokamak like you originally suggested because that would involve measureing it which you can't do without annihilating it.

sometimes i don't know why i bother

a place for mr warp spider to attempt to convince me that anti matter weapons can exist. so far, none of your arguments hold water. let's ignore the fact that to even produce a single particle pair is a game of chance. let's say that you have you anti-matter. you say you can store it in any kind of magnetic field? this statement alone shows that you do not know what you are talking about. please prove me wrong.

you mentioned anti matter weapons. and the "nonsense"about internal currents is because that is how a tokamak works. like i keep saying, the field in a tokamak that supspends plasma is determined by the currents in the plasma AND the coils. if you could just use any ol' magnetic field, they wouldn't need to build such a huge contraption in the first place. to apply the same reasoning to anti matter would infer that you know about the currents in an anti matter particle (anti currents???). which you don't. do you even know if you can mix currents in anti matter and currents in matter? and comparing water that erodes pipes to anti-matter that annihilates matter is just plain stupid. oh no, i'm going to get run over by a toy car!!! and let's not forget here the real world, if it is so easy to make and store anti matter, why don't they? i keep saying the same things here and you still respond with conjecture. maybe you should do a bit of research and give me some details on HOW exactly you store anti matter after the arduous process of creating it. like i said, i can beat you standing on one leg. how? easy. i hit you. not a very good argument.

cos he'd have to get his hands on the other guy first? look, you cannot just make staements like that because you can never determine what happens in the ring. what if he misses and messes up his attempt to grab. then his opponent trips him (as he has over-commited his grab) he comes crashing down, opponent mounts and lands repeated blows... see what i mean? all pure conjecture. doesn't mean a thing.

whoa, at last, a sensible response to this argument.

um, you can't take what you see in films to be any sort of evidence for one's skill. if you could then i guess that would mean back in the day, bruce lee could beat on ten guys at once!

y'know, you seem to be a mixed up little boy sano, you say you are going to ba taking part in a tournament and yet you don't know what to do. hasn't your sensei given you any advice? haven't you prepared at all for this during training? and looking at your other posts, it doesn't sound like you are that dedicated in whatever it is you study seeing as you now want a hwarang-do place cos they practice (at high levels) fancy flying kicks.

but then i can't really say anything. i am nothing if not fanatical about martial arts and films and cars and cooking and bar tending and books...

you THINK i already answered? i KNOW i never explained what anti-matter was. that was why he asked... but anyway, like i said, i know we're going off topic here so i must apologise to the other memebers here about that. so mr warp spider, if you still insist that you can make anti-matter weapons, please start a new thread.

i think we've established that the majority of anime is aimed at the legion of otaku in the world who can spend hours arguing over the minutest of details that even the creators have forgotten in their quest to think of more "cool" things for the characters to do. sorry if i sound a little harsh on the matter but it is kinda depressing seeing grown men, dressed in tight jeans and the obligatory black anime print t-shirt talk about dragonball and how that someone is better than someone else... to be honest i'm not sure how many of the writers actually think of the endings. i mean, the point of these shows is to have cool characters do cool things. to end you need some reason to end. in things like dragonball where everyone turn into gods of sorts, how do you finish things? in the case of kenshin, be glad that some kind of "realism" is injected into the end.

sorry, changed my mind. i now think you're about 14.

i know we have strayed some what from the original intent of the thread but what right do you have to tell me to shut up? the guy asked a question and i answered.

oooh, this may take some time... generally, anti-matter is matter made up of anti-particles... probably doesn't help but that's the simplest answer. it's a physics thing. just like electrons, protons, quarks, leptons, strings, super strings, charm etc etc exist, so do anti-particles. their usefulness comes from the fact that when matter and anti-matter meet, they annihilate each other releasing the total energy contained with them (as opposed to very little chemical or nucler energy that we do today using conventional methods) as such, very few anti-matter particles exist in our universe which leads to it being very stable. however a few particles of anti-matter have been made (well, the maths show they are there) in a particle accelerator. and this is where the main argument against anti-matter weapons comes from. to create even a single atom of anti-matter you need millions of times more energy released by it's annihilation. it's like why use a stick to hit a ball that might miss you when i can hit you with the stick.

right now, my favourite place is Cascais, a little village/town near Lisbon. lot's of good memories. also really like Salamanca, didnt get to spend much time there to really explore. and Venice is cool (if a little too "touristy"). Hong Kong rocks for food but too busy. Tokyo is like nothing you have ever seen in your life. and them girls are way too cute... ahem.

so power stations just turn themselves on??? wow, do you think all them scientists know that they don't require power??? and it sounds like to me you have no idea what you are talking about. making small particle accelerators? small tokamaks (fields maybe, generators no) and you have no consideratipon as to where/how you will power these things. like i say, the field in a tokamak depends on currents from the plasma and from the coils outside of the field chamber. also, a plasma is nothing more than a cloud of charged particles. assuming that your anti-matter is also in particle-cloud form, you would then need to have it suspended in a PERFECT vacuum. the last time i checked this is a near impossibilty. tell me how you would determine the currents in the anti-matter. and how you would introduce the field into the partical accelerator EXACTLY at the point of collision. and how you would prevent any other particle from entering the field (which would ruin the field, hence causing annihilation). how would you get a perfect vacuum ok, let's assume you can extract a useful amount of anti matter and suspend it. how would you make a weapon out of it? contain it in a mini tokamak? how? the moment any other field interferes the internal field is disrupted (annihilation). i should add here that i am now assuming that you can produce the field and project it to where you want it and that you can move this field around as neccessary AND be able to track the anti-matter as it is fired. you mentioned using the energy from annihilation as propellent for a missle/projectile but you are talking about having something that can contain the energy and re-direct it. as for the sun as energy source... easily harnessed but not very efficient. once again, i'd like to hear HOW you would do this. it's all well and good saying that you can do it easily. anyone can say things like that. i'm going to say that i am able to intercept everything kind of attack you throw at me and defend with my left hand standing on one leg. it's easy. i just put my arm in the way. once i have intercepted your attack, i can hit you with my right hand.

has anyone seen the john west tinned salmon advert? where the man fights the bear for a fish? i think winmx has it listed as "man fights bear". check it out!