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There are no rules on the street, even for Martial Artists. There is survival or otherwise called self-preservation. There are no clean attacks, just as their are no dirty ones. There are those that are uncalled for, say after the fight is finished, and a person continues to beat or hit the other person. In other words go too far with it, or use exessive force or means. Now that is violence. Thanks to media, and the entertainment industry, it seems that many have this expected outcome or span of events that they would like to see occur during fights, or during a surgery, or during a legal proceeding, and so on. When we deal with one another on a level of increased emotion or physical anxiety, then their are few, if any guarantees. Life isn't pretty, and it certainly isn't meant to be pre-arranged, and all nice and dainty. Especially out on the street. If a person is not willing to do whatever it takes to help another, or to save their own life, or perhaps the life of a child, then I wouldn't want them covering my back. Most people respond to pain. For those that don't there are more dehabilitating moves one can perform. Inevitably, someone will get hurt. That's just the cold hard truth. It is sad, and certainly not always a good thing. But at least it's realistic. Just some of my thoughts.

That's a funny list... I'll briefly go over some of them: 1. A black belt must register himself as a deadly weapon Some jurisdictions, and D.A.s will take into consideration any prior training you may or may not have had while bringing up charges, etc. 2. Bruce Lee was assassinated by Shaolin killer monks Huh? That is like saying that the movie Bruce Lee: A Dragon Story was a total depiction of the truth, especially when he got beat up by a kung fu master. When it fact his back injury was due to poor weight lifting procedures. 3. A black belt is a master Now this is a myth. I have seen white belts (or people of the streets) beat up black belts. I have also witnessed so called masters flub up something that they are supposed to know. 4. All martial arts are ancient Most of the good ones are 500 to 1000 years old, and from there broaden into a loose, incohesive structure spanning the feudal times. The Martial Arts are ancient, however, styles or systems are more of a modern concept. 5. Traditional systems do not work Some are just misinterpreted, or mis-applied. And yes, there are those that are simply not worth the time of day. 6. There is a world champion There are U.S champions, as well as International. But they are not representative of any one style, or method of doing martial arts. They are champions because they have a champion mindset, and the skills to back it up. 7. There are death matches In some countries there are death matches. But most modern countries outlaw them. 8. Masters are always calm and serene And some lose their tempers. While other's act like babies. 9. Women can't do martial arts well Women do not get the spotlight like men do. So this is still an unknown. I do know of women who can hold their own in most situations, as good as any man could. 10. A black belt can take on a whole crowd Must not be the same black belt who cannot fight their way out of a wet paper sack with a knife, and instructions.

I am in agreement with the other posts, that have come to the same conclusion as I. So far as Yang and Chen Taijiquan are concerned, San Shou is thought of in the following manner, "The form is the alphabet; Pushing hands and San Shou is learning to read and write. The ability to read and write is what makes the alphabet useful." Now in regards to the official full contact fighting sport of modern Wushu, San Shou, also spelled "Sanda" translates as "dividing hands" and refers to free fighting where the rules are designed to most accurately simulate actual combat. From what I gather, San Shou matches are fought on a raised platform called the "Lei Tai". During the 1960’s, modern San Shou developed into a sport about the same time as modern Wushu. San Shou training programs typically focus on four basic martial arts skills: 1. "Da" (Striking) use of fist, open hand, elbow, fingers, head. 2. "Ti" (Kicking) kicking, sweeping, kneeing, stomping. 3. "Shuai" (Throw) wrestling, throwing, takedowns. 4. "Na" (Seizing) joint locks and chokes, i.e. submissions Thus, in our current day, we are witnessing a shift back toward the traditional Wushu with the introduction of San Shou. The new compulsory forms of San Shou have eliminated the excessive acrobatics that once plagued contemporary Wushu. Kung Fu San Soo, also know Tsoi Li Hoi Fut Hung-Ga, was taught for centuries in Southern China, in or around the Guang Dong province. This style is a family style, belonging to the family of Chin Moon Don's. The art of Kung Fu San Soo was taught and conserved in the Kwan Yin Monastery until the early 1800s, and was passed down through the family, until it rested upon the shoulders of Grandmaster 'Jimmy' Woo. It is not the same as Choy Lay Fut, though is shares many of the same characteristics. Choy Lay Fut is a hybrid Chinese martial art developed by Grandmaster Chan Heung in 1836 at Ging Mui, and the name refers to the people Heung trained under, namely: Masters Choy Fok, and Lee Yau Shan. It just so happens that San soo also teaches students using some of the same principles as that of San Shou, however the comparison ends there. I say this, since most CMA (kung fu systems, and karate systems) employ some, if not most, of the following as well: Tsoi ga- Punching and kicking Li ga- Throws and leverages Hoi ga- Pressure point manipulation Fut ga- Mental strategy in combat Hung ga- Physical power (Neijia or Wiejia - internal or external) The many styles offer different training methods based upon their own culture or background or philosophy, in order to aid the student in getting to a certain level of proficiency. This is one reason, why 'Art' is added to the term 'Martial'. The key thing to remember is that san soo, does not typically employ sparring. Rather, they rely upon technique and reaction. One student initiates a technique, and the other responds with a variety of different techniques themselves. The core of San soo are the techniques. The principles of fighting go along with them. This is why I believe san soo, is not san shou. That's what I know for now.

The principle of the back kick is to get your opponent to close the gap, and surprise them with the kick. You either wait for them to begin executing their kick or strike, and step in with your kick, or you make them follow you, then throw a setup strike, then back kick. The number one preferred setup to a backick is a roundhouse. The backkick not only compliments the roundhouse, it is on of the the best defenses against a roundhouse as well. You are on the right track. Good luck!

It was a system of concepts and principles. He took students through a set syllabus, and awarded certificates of completion through a number of phases. He was heavy into the physical drills of CMA, and mixed those with training similar to that of western boxing. This allowed one to be more flexible (so Bruce believed), than what was normally found in the traditional styles or systems. Which even throughout today, still seem to not offer, in the short term, the tools in which to help a person become a better fighter. Dan Inosanto, noted that Bruce failed to look deep into the ancient Chinese Methods of Martial Arts. In hindsight, his effect on the social acceptance of the Chinese Arts throughout the world, cannot be denied. He was a catalyst in this regard. Other than that, he was just a man, who was a martial artist and entertainer, with bills, and a family to support.

When people hear the term san shou, perhaps they tend to think it's along the same line as tournament push hands, or modern wushu. This is one way it which it has become fragmented. Authentic Taijiquan in some ways, has also become fragmented. The Martial Arts were developed over the centuries in order to aid mankind during times of conflict. They are about war. They are about being the best you can be during those situations. They are not about theatrics, or sport based competition. Not everyone has the Martial Art mindset. As a result, when people attempt to introduce it into their own individual culture, rather than finding their place within a given framework, they attempt to change the framework to suit their own needs. If a given style is not malleable enough for a person, then they need to find one that is. The point is to not change or divert a system from it's original purpose. When this happens, fragmentation occurs. That's my two cents. Not much, I know...

I know of several high level goju practitioners that move that fast. As well as bagua practioners, and taijiquan, and your everyday variety of boxers as well. It is possible. I can say nothing of the person's actual skill or performance. But in some way, this video seems questionable.

The more sensitive a person is to touch, the more they will be able to avoid these situations, or the better they will progess them. Once a lock is employed something must be done with it. From a grab or lock, one must: Pull, push, or fulcrum. Both the offense and the defense have those 3 basic options. Not release, and then attempt another lock or grab. This only serves to break the momentum. If the blonde guy was just 10 to 15 percent better, or 1 percent luckier, the guy who grabbed him could have been killed. In retrospective, I agree with Shorinryu S on this one. Even if it wasn't an attack, (such as an aggressive lock), then by all means it was a poor setup. Just my two cents...

The theory is that the legs are the great equalizer. Men (run of the mill - little or no training) typically use arm strength along with grabbing techniques. So it stands to reason, in order to gain a following of women in a particular art, one basically notes that women need to strike to a few key points, using their palm or fingers, and follow up with a few choice kicks in order to gain control of the situation. If need be, and the man is disoriented enough after a well placed kick or strike, then a takedown may be warranted. In sum, the above is the standard strategy taught to the women I have met over the past 25 years of practice. Another reason that Tae Bo, and Cardio Kick Boxing are so popular. Allusion and Illusion. Very little truth, and a false sense of security. J Lo got lucky. Some of the principles were there, but quite frankly she did not spend enough time truly expanding upon them, or burning them into her memory. What's more, her attitude was too cocky or arrogant. If the man really knew how to fight, she would have been a goner. That's my two cents...

I agree, as that's basically what I was saying. A waste of bandwidth, and a poor display of 15 minutes of fame.

Taijiquan either Yang or Chen. Ask questions as to the martial art aspects. Some try to teach 'pushes' as strikes. This is wrong. Also, some might try to sell off push hands as pushing combat. This is also wrong. Taijiquan is a striking art. With emphasis on maintaining the center, while taking the center of your opponent. Usually, external styles, depending on the instructor, are now implementing qigong into their training methods, along with various types of sensitivity training. Good luck in your search. Scrutinize, and ask questions.

There was also a tad bit of kelly lebrock juice as well.

Basically it could have been avoided. So sad.

The wrist grab shown in the video, was just that, a wrist grab. There are differences between wrist grabs and wrist locks. The assailant grabs the wrist, then opens himself up as he goes under the hand. An arrogant move at best. The defender in this case simply did not react accordingly. There was too much of a pause on his behalf. If he had been immediate, as in before the grab even occured, in may not have happenened as it did. There a million things the defender could have done the moment he was grabbed as well. Quite frankly, his street skills seemed lacking. He must not have seen that this was a setup, and he was the fall guy. Statistics show that people do not get involved in physical confrontations that are not their own. The problem of living in secular socieities I suppose. The attacker used nothing more than wrist grab followed by a leg grab, and pull. A raw wrestling technique. He was first to the punch. That is what counts in most situations. ------------------------- Here are some thoughts on wrist locks. Wrist locks are typically used while in transition to hold to a strike, a strike down, or a takedown. Typically one holds onto the opponent while attempting to strike them, strike then takedown, or while performing strike downs. Locks employ either a push, pull, or solid grab. The immediate result of a wrist lock must accompanied with strike, or takedown maneuver. Takedowns can be accomplished with the use of all of the above in any combination and order. Takedowns always consist of, in one way or another, a push, pull, grab, or fulcrum and lever. Strike downs on the other hand are considered takedowns but defined separately as, "striking your opponent to the ground, thus adding injury to insult, since there will be an impact with the ground as well. Thus wrist locks (or any locks I supposed) are employed in most cases where control is a primary concern. Take care!

When I think of san shou, I do not think of the competition style of san shou. Rather I think of the actual Martial Art behind the two man form. Apply, meaning to expand upon technique, and cultivate energy. San shou is one of the tools in which to apply the principles of Taijiquan Chinese Boxing, or Hao Chuan. When we put the pauchui forms together in a two person sparring match we call it san-sau or free hands. In the beginning it is not totally free since we must first learn how to use the techniques properly. After many years practitioners tend to place some of the techniques out of sync, until finally, it becomes a free sparring match. The free fighting part must not come too soon as you will forget all about the technique and it will become something similar to a street brawl. In Tajiquan San Shou, we are essentially combining the traditional Cheng family forms, along with silk reeling (Chan Si Jin) and joint locking (Chin Na). Again, san shou can imporve coordination and balance, teach fundamental self-defense, expand on the application of the forms, and cultivate energy. ------------------ Those are my thoughts on this... Later!

I see what you're saying. It is good to be doing what you are. Push hands or tui shou is also designed to work with Taijiquan. They are inseparable, just as san shou should also be employed, as well as standing qigong. Kakie is integral to Goju Ryu, thus it should be done with all karate, but I know that it is not. Sensitivity drills, and locking, or trapping techniques are crucial to the external arts. All arts for that matter. I cross train with other instructors usually. I am always looking for a someone to pass all this down to. Might be a family member, a friend or stranger. Who knows. So far as the physical aspect of this particular drill, like other Martial art related activities, there is a duality in purpose.

Conventional medical science has, and will continue to valid the pressure points on the body. Perhaps they will figure it out someday. Until then we have TCM Theory. Again, I have yet to confirm this particular strike either, and I actually study this stuff. One might be able to mess up the functions of a particular organ, but I am not sure on this particular accupoint. I will ask one of the top people in this field.

Religion and Martial Art, in many cases do not mix. Not sure why. But they don't. As a Christian Minister and lifelong Martial Artist understand what you are saying, and where you are coming from. Hope you are enjoying KarateForums. It is a great place to share ideas regarding learning about Martial Arts, and the journey along the way.

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