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I know, thats the way I always felt, until newbs started asking what were they doing to the guy's arm, and I couldn't provide an intelligent answer.

What a meaningful post...

Yeah, but in Judo they usually apply the hold from the side rather than right underneath. It's pretty much a BJJ triangle choke, but it looks like the guy getting choked fell over. Judo allows most any choke, but if you don't get it quickly, you get stood up. Also, there are lots of different rules for different ages, skill levels, etc.

Hapkido's got some good techniques, but there's one thing to watch out for. If you train those techniques against only a static partner, you probably won't be able to pull them off on the street. Frankly, you're already into wrestling, which, if you train hard, it is going to make you into a far better grappler than traditional hapkido. Combat Hapkido might be a bit better than pure wrestling because of its BJJ and wrestling influences, but you might be better off training hard in wrestling than picking up an additional art.

I hope that was a joke. Do you really think you have a greater than 50% chance against an assailant armed with a gun or knife?

While you make some valid points they can be looked at from another angle. The so called street fighters you mentioned are no longer street fighters once they enter that ring. Now they are governed by rules. Rules of which don't allow them to bring their street fighting experience into the ring. What they have to do now is fight their opponents fight. In the street maybe the BJJ guy has his throat cut before he knows he's even in a fight...no rules. The other thing is you mentioned Tank getting beat by someone and then the next guy getting beat and so on. All that proves (IMO) is that no matter who you are there is always someone better. That isn't the style or art, that's life. And that's the "individual", they all just met "someone" better. It happens...eventually. Tommy Yeah...but the point of this thread is to dicuss training, and you can't kill your partner!It'd be nice if there was an endless supply of disposable training partners to pratice "deadly" techniques on, but there isn't. NHB training is the next best thing. You don't have to ONLY spar, grapple, and drill pads. I wouldn't recommend it. Practice your techniques with the knowledge they will probably not work exactly as planned, and you should always have a good base in striking and grappling if they fail. For example, if someone throws the steorotypical slow hooking punch, you might be taught to enter and counter with a hip throw or leg sweep. I like doing that IF POSSIBLE, but if one of those techniques fail, I can always: A. Disengage and being striking NHB style OR B. If he grabs hold, I can use my BJJ and other grappling training to take him down a little less crisply and work from there.

I don't think there is a specific technique to learn. More importantly, learn what it feels like to roll with someone. Even if you know 0 "techniques", if you have a good base and can move your weight (and the other guy's) around, you can probably come out OK. My favorite move would have to be RNC. Bridging is good too.

He's not a professional fighter per se; he's more of a trainer. Go to extremeselfprotection.com. About the Gracies, I think I just realized something. The books I have were printed about a year or so before they started dropping like flies. They had reason to believe their style was as incredible as they portrayed it. Don't get me wrong, The Gracies have done more for martial arts than just about anybody in the past century, and BJJ is great, but there is no such thing as a perfect style the way the Gracies marketed theirs early on. I think there is some division among the Gracies these days as to whether pure BJJ is the ultimate style or not. You've probably read Mastering Jiu-jitsu, so you can see clearly that Renzo thinks BJJ includes boxing and Muay Thai techniques. Maybe it does (?). Also, Carlson Gracie Jr. is working on MY Combat Hapkido ground curriculum, so obviously he sees that BJJ is not the only worthwhile style out there. Anyway, thats all off topic. All I'm saying is Hatmaker deserves way more props than he's getting.

I just need to say that if you haven't read his books yet, you're really missing out. He is the most innovative, straight to the point, hardcore martial artist whose material I've ever studied, and I've studied a lot. Here are a few things I like about him: 1. His entire system is bases on numeric efficiency. That is, high percentage techniques are trained more than low percentage techniques (He refers to this as the 80-20 rule: 20% of the efforts produce 80% of the results). 2. While his version of MMA derives from all sources, about 80% is from western martial arts like boxing, wrestling, and catch as catch can. 3. His techniques are straighforward and hardcore. 4. His written materials are brimming with content, low on fluff. 5. He doesn't market or sell his style like so many others (cough...Gracies) do. Sure, he makes money in his buisness, but he doesn't promote his style at the expense of all others. Please consider reading his books or training with him.

How were you taught? What do you think are the advantages of each? Technically, Combat Hapkido teaches a vertical punching technique, but I have instructors from boxing backgrounds, plus on the street we are taught to use palm heels, elbows, and knees more than puinches. However, with the variety of training I have, I find that when it comes to punching I normally use a horizontal fist, except for JKD-style straight leads. I think a horizontal fist makes it easier to transfer power through the target, but maybe that's just me. I've also been taught a vertical punch is more stable and safer than a horizontal punch. I have no evidence for or against this.

I thought the same thing.

Thanks, that what I was looking for.

I think NHB schools can make one a better person. What better way to teach respect for violence than to have one expierience violence for his or herself.

Pressure, pain, damage, but what actually happens to what specific tissues, bones, joints, etc?

In addition to those mentioned, Western wrestling, catch as catch can I believe. Also Judo and an array of Filipino martial arts. Oh, and Savate. Its interesting to note how much of JKD (perhaps I should say Jun Fan in this case) is actually based on American and European fighting methods.

As grapplers, we often speak of "snapping someone's " with various bars, cranks, locks, etc. Can anyone explain what is actually medically happening to the victim when these techniques are applied? I understand that hyperxtension of connective tissue comes first (along with the pain) but what is the chain of events from there?

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thanks, I'd appreciate some more replies too!

I'm not a poetry person myself, but I need to locate a poem with the theme of carrying emotional burden. Can anyone help? Thanks.

I train in Combat Hapkido, and my favorite thing about it is that I learn everything from wrestling double-legs to Muay Thai elbows to Tae Kwon Do kicking to JJJ to BJJ... I learn a diverse curriculum because there is a time and place for everything. I personally don't do much high kicking because I'm just not a natural kicker, I prefer boxing, infighting (elbows, gouges, knees...), and grappling. That doesn't mean other people shouldn't use them, and that doesn't mean I shouldn't learn them. My instructor is a great high kicker, and he'd be stupid not to use them.

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Unfortunately, PP is about the best idea I have. Do you have a better ideas, I could really use some help. Thanks for the reply!

May I suggest everyone read "Mastering Jiu-jitsu" by Renzo Gracie? It addresses the historical, strategical, theoretical aspects of both JJJ and BJJ. It answers so many of the questions so frequently asked on Karateforums.com.

Nidan? As in second degree? Either you are extremely skilled and dedicated or a total liar. Please don't take offence, but if you are really a 2nd degree in BJJ, you'll understand just how few of those there are. Why'd you switch to karate after becoming so skilled in jiu-jitsu?

No ideas? Know somewhere else I should look?