Crucio

im on of the only guys in my taekwondo class lol, the rest are girls who want self defense. Most dont spar, but still, its mostly girls Same in my schools self dense class, mostly girls Muay thai, no girls in that class. dont know why, maybe its a michigan thing, i sure as hell dont mind it

My parents have a taser, the nice 10,000 volt variety, i was walking up the stairs with the taser and some magazines in my hands after a trip and the magazines slipped and the taser turned on and it hurt really really really bad, also, i almost fell down the stairs, not fun. on the subject of mace, whats the point of carrying it when youre a martial artist, i dont feel afraid when im walking in the street or an alley or something

yeah, i mean, punch a sandbag or condensed styrafoam and also do calluse building exercises, also, i mean dont encourage pain, dont go bang your head up against the wall. I, in my opinion have a high pain tolerance. i think its because ive had a lot of it in my 17 years of life example, 13 teeth pulled, 3 broken ankles, numerous broken fingers, arms, my head, ect and right now im walking around with a knee i sprained on my trampoline on saturday, a broken hand from an incorrect hit on a board (i slipped ) and a hairline fracture on my stupid shin from sparring. what helps for me to get the pain away, is to always have a positive attitude, think of something other than my pain like walking and take deep breaths hope that helped

first of all, if you want to continue with the stupid tank scenario. then i say gimme some nuclear weapons, or worst case, some neutron bombs second, i dont see carrying a gun as all that cool. I mean, i have lots of friends who want guns and stuff, but how can you REALLY use a gun for self defense. Ofcourse if the other person has a gun, it is a stalemate till someone gives up or dies. if the other person doesnt have a gun, then youre going to get your ass kicked or yourself killed, because if its self defense, then you wont pull the gun till either the person has hit you, or untill the person is close enough range to break your neck. Third. most people get very intense and unfocused during a fight, which means, unless the person is an incredibly good shot and has a very cool head, which most gun carriers dont (not pros, just carriers), then the other persons gonna wind up dead. I mean, in martial arts, you can knock out the guy. With a gun, im guess you could shoot someone away from a main artery in the butt or shin i guess, but thats a ver difficult shot. next, theres the problem most people get a gun for, low self-esteem or low physical shape. Again theres going to be that little problem of man-slaughter lastly, i have a question. can you get a weapons permit for a concealed weapon so that you could carry a sword or knife or even knunchukus? not that i would, but just curious. I would take a sword over a gun definetly (a LEGAL gun, not a freakin uzi or something)

i have a question for the kempo people, if i do kempo, muay thai and tae kwon do, will any of those martial arts interfer with each other. ex. are kempo stances a lot different than taekwondo, and is the phiosophy different? i do muay thai pretty informally, i goto a muaythai/kickboxing place and mostly spar and train, but not on a regular schedual, i just pick up moves and add them to my arsenal of tkd techniques. also, what weapon do you start with in kempo and which do u learn?

heh, guess noone cares about what i wrote, o well

are these all of them? i have to write a report, thanx SinMoo Hapkido Kuk Sool Won Hapkido Han Pul Kong Soo Do Yudo Han Mu Do Kung Sul Taekwondo Tang Soo Do Soo Bahk Do Hoshinsul Kumdo Haidong Gumdo Tae Soo Do Hwarang Do Tae Kyon Ship Pal Ki Yu Sool Kung Jung Moo Sool Moo Duk Kwan Kun Gek Do

so what, a good kickboxer will lose to a good student of Taekwondo, and there is a good chance than a good student of taekwondo would lose to a good old lady driving a good car. depends on the persons abilities. if both people are equal, neither will win, if the kickboxer has an advantage because of his feet, then he should fight a heavier boxer to even it out.

hehehe "but you wont brake your shin" lol

muay thai is cool i guess, but whenever someone says muaythai, i still think of this happening to me WHY THE SHINS??? You have a perfectly good instep to use, anyways, watch this caution, kids, only watch this if you want nightmares http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/ojanpaa/karate/movies/kick-breaknosound.mpg

i want to see your opinion of what i wrote, and your opinion on the martial arts you have experiance in, then your opinion about arts that you have never taken... but have an opinion on

well, lets list the good points and the bad points of the martial arts we've taken. If enough people do it, and do it honestly, then maybe we will get somewhere. I do however agreee that there is a MA for every person, but still, these opinions may be very interesting I take ATA taekwondo. So far i have enjoyed it, and i feel it is the right martial art for me, atleast to start. I will someday move on to hung-ga or jow-ga kung-fu and ofcourse play around with hapkido. One thing that has become apparent to me is, just as there is a martial art for every one, everyone has their own martial art too. Taking a combination of martial arts, and then building upon each MA's moves which enhance your own skills is by far better than taking just one. If you make up a move even, that may prove to be beneficial, although i would go with some sort of MA, because of the approximate 2000 years of refining and perfection that went into some, that you cannot compete with. Anyways ATA TAEKWONDO Michigan, USA Good: 1. I have long legs, and i am 6'2", which is sorta tall. So i can keep most people at distance 2. My Sabunim is great. He and the higher blackbelts are strong, quick and dont hold back much while sparring, all of which i like. 3. Since taekwondo IS the national sport of korea, i can treat it as just that, a sport. I quit basketball and track for TKD, and i think it is a far better use of time and strength. I can get aggression out, increase my strength, increase my focus and my control and flexibility (wild and crazy acrobatic sexual moves LOL) 4. It is a form of self defense, so that is always nice to have 5. TKD increases confidence and "is a way to develop new personal power, confidence, and the ability to put your beliefs into action. It is a self-improvement program that has physical, mental, spiritual, and philosophical dimensions. Tae Kwon Do is a way of life. It is the art of living in a way that will help you become a winner" 6. ATA is more traditional than ITF or WTF, its sister oganization is WTTU. It does not encompass a lot of the japanese techniques that were included in ITF TKD, it has a great amount more kicks and is based on the songahm philosophy. 7. theres other good points, but i cant think of them 8. there is noone my age at the dojo who spars, everyone there is stronger than me, and they dont give me a chance to get full of myself like many many other martial artists i know who think they are the best. 9. the disipline is very good, 25 pushups for saying "i cant" 50 for being late, for saying "sorry" , things like that 10. Light GIs are very easy to move in and aikido and judo people have a hard time of fighting u without the thicker clothes to grab. BAD points Im going to do this as honestly as i can 1. I know that this is actually a good thing, but its annoying i have to wait 2 months for every belt testing 2. its expensive 3. noone my age (i wanna feel full of myself lol) 4. very limited selection of weapons (hung-ga is 50 I belive, depending on style) 5. Hand techniques, although there and in many different combinations, forearm, elbow, knifehand, backfist, punches, ect. Just arnt utilized as much as they could be. This is why i probably will take kung-fu in some years, i have the great kicking from TKD, and the great weapons and hand techniques from kung-fu and the air kicks from hapkido 6. there is a lot of grappeling and stuff in tkd, but i havent learned much of it. so i guess there should be more??? 7. there is very limited spiritual and KI training in TKD. Lots of mind and body, but KI use is mostly implied and if spiritual is taught, it has for some reason been left out of my dojang. 8. Inadequate reqruits and Sabunims which are in it only for the money, have given taekwondo a pretty crappy rap. I mean, Im not sure i that i would rather have movies be made about it, but, people still are like, "why dont you do kickboxing or something" and that gets really annoying. Also, many people have seen the demo teams, and were not impressed. They were just little kids ofcourse not! Still, one person told me TKD was stupid and he could kickbox my ass, becuase he saw so 8 year olds doing spin kicks and forms really slow. I, showed him the difference between the hook kick and the spinning side and spinning cresent and he was apologizing. thats all i can think of. now, my opinions on other martial arts, i obviously cant do all of them theres like 100 just in korea. aikido- great if you are willing to be a completely dedicated and peacful person. There is no competition!!! Good for Ki and spirit. Kung-fu (generalization, all styles)- has many different stances which apply to a wide range of people. Also, it has well rounded attacks (remember the 2 TKD fighters against JET LI in kiss of the dragon? They needed more hand attacks) It is good for mind, body, spirit kickboxing- i dont consider it a real martial art. reason: in a martial art, you jump into your prime area of offense, do combos, block punches, then jump out and block, then repeat. In kickboxing, you come at each other and hit each other untill the other quits, the time is up or someone passes out. What skill does that take? its only endurance and strength. Atleast in a martial art i have forms and skill too. Theres others, but i wrote a lot already btw, where did the KAIOKEN smiley from dbz go? i dont see it anymore.

thats dumb, no pads while sparring. Really dumb. in my tkd class, ata, we wear groin, mouth, hand and feet guards, which are small enough that they can still break ribs, but not so small that blocking will break your wrist. In my class, we learn our distance, control and strength and weekness. I will never get to be one of those people who all the sudden lifts something heavy and says, "i dont know my own strength"... because i do. We learn to spar with pads, but also can pull back and stuff. I think its harder going half force than full force, it forces you to think about combos and stuff, more than how hard you can hit the other guy. It also allows you to try more daring combinations and forms that might actually work, but u would never have the pleasure of finding out, becuase there is no way to perfect it if your sparring partner makes you bleed. i know i was rambling, but do the best u can to make sense of it

i posted a school fight somewhere, all in all, it was cool, but in the opinions of the people on this board, i held back too much and i didnt hold back enough

lol, yep rumors suck

hmm, i suppose... when i spar, i usually go from one person to the next for about an hour straight. I have good endurence becuase i used to run

when i was about 7, i did ITF TKD becuase i wanted to be like the people in the video game "street fighter". Then, i got to about red belt, moved from Ca to Pa (started 5th grade) I stopped in Pa becuase where i was i couldnt find an instructor that i liked and i wanted to do some school sports (basketball, baseball, and track) then i moved to michigan in 10th grade and decided to try out a martial art again because baseball was getting really boring. I made some new friends and found out their interests and sports. Most did boxing and wrestling. I met one third degree black belt 1 year older than me and decided to do taekwondo again. I wanted to be able to change up some of my macho boxer friends punches with kicks (god do they work good on boxers) The thrid degree took ATA and i researched it and found it was more traditional and signed up for it. I really like my instructor and class mates although it would be a lot more fun if more people my age did it (the only people who spar is a 1st dan world champ and some huge 1st degrees and a 3rd degree) I dont ever win, but then again, its nice to fight against someone really good, cause if you can put a nice punch or kick that is clean, then you can do it to pretty much everyone im trying to recruit people from my HighSchool now, but its not going to well. They are either scared or in other sports. I mean a 3month season is one thing, but a martial art is your whole freaking life

where do u live? i want to play

well, less than a minute

i dont want to press charges, too much work. Id rather just hurt him enough that he doesnt bother me and not enough that i get in trouble. Besides. Fighting twice and not getting in trouble was really lucky. and you know what they say. The third time is the charm. :-/ Also, its hard, but i like a lot of people not knowing i do a martial art. That way, people wont be scared to spar me when we have little boxing matches and stuff

also, my school is a stupid school that has all of the "zero tolerance crap" So i HAVE to show mercy. Example- today in english, two kids got in a fight. The good one was stronger than the other and did nothing to harm his opponent. The smaller one then took some white board wash and sprayed it in the stronger one's eyes. My friend and i ran over and broke up the fight. yet, despite noone getting seriously hurt and the one of them was head locking the other in self defense, they both had to talk to the pricible and both got suspended!!! STUPID ZERO TOLERANCE!!! Unfortunetly, we have to have it though. If we didnt then more people would bring in guns to schools. ------------------------------------------------------ I was talking to my friend once about the school shootings a while ago and i asked him what he thought the world, or atleast the schools would be like if everyone was required to take a martial art (and the instructors were all good, not just gym teachers) i think that if people took something that stressed discipline and honor, noone would bring guns to school and noone would probably fight, they could just spar with gear. Its really too bad society isnt that way. People would be in good shape and have low blood pressure. But, o well

like i said, he hasnt physically asked me to fight again. He hasnt even talked to me. We used to be friends, but i think i hurt his pride. Hey, i tried to let him off easy the first time

here is more info on ata if any else cares all of it was taken from the website, http://www.ataonline.com and is copyright ©1998 American Taekwondo Association. All rights reserved. Bio and Philosophy [back to intro] He was born in Manchuria, China on July 20, 1936, and soon after World War II, his family relocated in Korea. Beginning his martial arts training in 1953, he received his first degree black belt in 1954. He graduated from high school and entered the Korean Army as a Taekwondo trainer for special troops in 1956. He retired from the army three years later to open a Taekwondo school at Osan Air Force Base. While teaching at his school on the military base, Grand Master Lee met and trained American serviceman Richard Reed. When it came time for Reed to return to the states, he invited Grand Master Lee to join him. Grand Master came to the United States in 1962, established himself as a Taekwondo instructor in Omaha, Nebraska where he and (now) Senior Master Reed became partners in a martial arts school, and became a U.S. citizen in 1973. In 1969, he founded the American Taekwondo Association (ATA). Taekwondo schools began opening all over the country. During his years in Omaha, Grand Master wrote the first instructor manual which was introduced in 1973. This manual provided information and procedures that standardized the inner workings of each ATA school. In 1976, the first of many Grand Nationals, now known as the Songahm Taekwondo World Championships, was held in Omaha. In 1977, the ATA was relocated to Little Rock, Arkansas, where an average of 200 Taekwondo students annually were completing their instructor certification. It was in 1980 that Grand Master Lee and the ATA achieved another first in the martial arts field by introducing a computerized record-keeping system. This innovation made it quick and reliable to keep the rank history as well as other pertinent information about the many, many thousands of members of the ATA. To increase the opportunity for communication with Grand Master Lee and other staff members, Grand Master had a toll-free telephone number installed for school owners and members to use. Also in 1980, the ATA started its first ongoing publication. Beginning with a tabloid entitled "ATA News," Grand Master has continued to change and improve the publication to what we know today as "The Way of Traditional Taekwondo." This is a quarterly magazine that keeps the Songahm Taekwondo students around the world informed on upcoming events, apprised of new programs, and up-to-date with articles on the physical and mental aspects of Songahm Taekwondo. With the growing number of schools in the ATA, Grand Master Lee recognized that to help support all the new school owners and to enhance their ability to succeed, business support was going to be very important. In 1978, Grand Master Lee introduced the first ATA School Operations Manual and started to provide more professional and complete business support. This support has continued to grow and expand through the years. January of 1998 saw the birth of the ATA Black Belt Academy Franchise (please see other pages on this site for more information). Through the early years of the ATA, the Chang Hun style of forms (used by the International Taekwondo Federation) was used as part of the curriculum. Even though this style was widely accepted in the Taekwondo community, Grand Master Lee knew that these forms were strongly influenced by the Japanese style of martial arts and did not truly reflect Taekwondo or the strength and beauty of its kicking techniques. After much research and input from association seniors, Grand Master Lee introduced the Songahm style of Taekwondo to the world. It was a very early Saturday morning, August 13, 1983 atop Songahm Mountain in Arkansas that Grand Master Lee taught the first group of 300 masters and instructors Songahm #1, Songahm #2, and Songahm #3. Through the next couple of years, higher rank forms were introduced at major events until the system of Songahm Taekwondo was completed with a total of 18 different forms. One of the unique characteristics of the Songahm style of Taekwondo is that when the pattern of each form is laid atop each other, it creates the Songahm Star. This is an eight pointed star with a ninth point in the center. This star touches all the major direction points and when the points are connected, it forms a perfect circle. A perfect circle is representative of every person’s goal: perfection. Even though we can never truly achieve perfection, through hard work, perseverance, and a continual thirst for self-improvement, we can make progress toward this goal. Another significant aspect of the Songahm forms and the patterns that they make is that each form ends in the same place that it begins. This represents many facets of our lives. We start each day at home and end each day at home. We come into this world to our parents (or family) and during great times and down times, we return to our parents (or family). Our lives are governed by a path, that has a beginning point and the same ending point. In 1987 another first occurred when Grand Master Lee took 203 masters and instructors to the birthplace of Taekwondo, Korea, for an instructors educational camp which lasted ten days at Haein Temple. During the trip, these instructors were able to visit many important and beautiful sites as well as receive special training on the very ground that Taekwondo originated. Another Korean camp took place in 1991. On this trip, the instructors were afforded the opportunity to visit the famous "Tiger" Division military base. Each year during April, Grand Master takes a group of instructors and students to visit Korea during the time of the Choong Moo Memorial event. This is a very special day to the Koreans to the extent that even the President of South Korea attends the yearly ceremony. It was during this trip in 1991 that Grand Master Lee and the ATA donated a monument to the Choong Moo Memorial Center. Through fund-raising efforts, the members of the ATA were able to show their respect for this famous Korean military general with a one of a kind, nine foot tall by four foot wide beautiful rock monument which stands on the Center’s grounds today. This trip is still available every year and students who are interested in attending can visit with their instructor to get information. In 1990, then Master H.U. Lee, tested before his Songahm family for the distinguished rank of 9th Degree Black Belt. A petition was signed by over 100,000 members of the ATA for Master Lee to be honored with the title of Grand Master. The year of 1990 was significant because it marked the completion of the development of the 17 Songahm Taekwondo forms that would take a student from White Belt through testing for 9th Degree Black Belt. It had taken Grand Master Lee 20 years to complete this part of his vision for traditional Taekwondo. Let it be understood by all that Grand Master was not "given" this title, he earned it. Grand Master H.U. Lee is now heralded by the world to be the first and only Master in history to acquire the rank and honor of 9th degree Grand Master under public documentation The ATA helps numerous charitable organizations, especially the Muscular Dystrophy Association. For three consecutive years - 1987, 1988, and 1989 - the ATA received the Muscular Dystrophy Association Award and has donated over $1.5 million to help fight the illness. ATA fund-raisers are also held for the D.A.R.E. Program, Arkansas Children’s Hospital, and Arkansas Special Olympics. Grand Master Lee is also involved in the Sister City Program between Little Rock and Hanam City, Korea. Currently, Grand Master Lee and the ATA are working with the Susan G. Komen Breast Cancer Foundation in their fight against breast cancer. In 1991 the H.U. Lee Scholarship Foundation was established to help deserving young adults pay for their college tuition. The ATA members themselves have been raising and donating money to this foundation through fund-raisers and other activities. Each year at the Songahm Taekwondo World Championships, these scholarships are presented and at this past years event, over $8,000 was awarded to worthy High School seniors that showed dedication both to their academic career and their Taekwondo career. In 1999, Grand Master Lee once again acted on his motto, "Today not possible, Tomorrow possible," when he escorted a group of instructors to the communist state of North Korea. He is recognized by state officials as being one to help bring peace between the two Koreas. The President of Korea, Dae Jung Kim awarded Grand Master Lee with the highest Humanitarian Award possible, and the President of the United States, Bill Clinton, sanctioned close advisor, Mayor Jim Dailey, to messenger a personal letter to the family of ATA at Grand Master Lee's funeral. In 1992, Grand Master Lee introduced a series of books called "The Way of Traditional Taekwondo." The first volume to be introduced was the White Belt book. This was followed by the Orange Belt book, then the Philosophy and Traditions book. (At this time, the volumes through and including the First Degree Black Belt book are available. When completed, this series of books will offer the student a complete library of forms, one-steps, and self-defense techniques from White Belt to 9th Degree Black Belt, plus the much needed information of each technique and how it is to be properly executed. In 1997, a video series to complement these books was started. The set of videos is completed up through and including the Red belt video. These books and videos are available through any ATA affiliated school or club. In 1988, Grand Master received the High Profile Award from Arkansas Business. Through the years he has also received other honors including Key of the City Awards from Omaha, Nebraska; Corpus Christi, Texas; Little Rock, Arkansas; Evansville, Indiana; Tallahassee, Florida; and Panama City, Florida. Because of his support of the city of Little Rock with his many civic activities and the impact that the Songahm Taekwondo World Championships has on this city, the Little Rock Convention and Visitor’s Bureau has presented Grand Master with the Kaleidoscope Award in 1994 and the Crystal Award in 1996. Recently, Grand Master Lee was presented with the most prestigious Highest Profile Award of any Korean outside of Korea by the President of the Republic of Korea (1996); and was the recipient of the Korean Broadcasting System’s Cultural Promotion Award (1997) which is valued at approximately $100,000. In November of 1997, Grand Master Lee was named to the Arkansas Athletic Commission. In 1999, after being a nominee for several years, the ATA and Grand Master Lee were awarded the prestigious Arkansas Business of the Year Award by the state of Arkansas. Grand Master H.U. Lee's personal motto, "Today not Possible, Tomorrow Possible," has made him successful in many ways. The international media recognized his prestigious feats as a human being and his humanitarian efforts. The Korean media has produced many shows and full-length documentaries, including the award winning "Success Story," by KBS on the life and achievements of Grand Master Lee. In the United States, he made appearances on many news programs and talk shows including "Live With Regis and Kathy Lee!," The Jerry Lee Lewis Show, and ABC's "Good Morning America." His son, L. Taekwon Lee produced and finished a full hour documentary film on Grand Master Lee's life and the story of the ATA titled "Today Not Possible, Tomorrow Possible," which has not been released to the public. He is now in the works of producing a full-length feature film on his legendary father. After 64 years of humanitarian efforts and achievements, Grand Master Lee passed away on October 5, 2000 after a valiant battle against cancer. Over 3,000 students and members of his international family gathered in his beloved hometown of Little Rock, Arkansas to wish him farewell at his beautiful funeral ceremony. Grand Master Lee is survived by his wife Mrs. Sun Cha Lee and four children, David, Flora, Lisa, and L. Taekwon. Many Grand Masters of martial arts including Grand Master Joon Rhee and Grand Master Bong Soo Han, gathered to pay respect to Grand Master H.U. Lee They formally sanctioned a petition to elevate the Songahm Grand Master to 10th degree black belt, Eternal Grand Master, the highest position attainable outside the philosophy of Songahm Taekwondo. The American Taekwondo Association is inherited by the hundreds of thousands of students across the world and overseen by the ATA Business Council and the Master's Council, whose members were hand selected, and foundations were formed by the Eternal Grand Master of Taekwondo, Haeng Ung Lee. hehe i liked it, it was a good story. I think that it basically said that ATA is more traditional korean things, while itf has more japanese heritage?

hmm, i got thrown by a person who knew aikido and i felt something surge through me. Besides, if theres no Ki then how did Jet Li in Twin Warriors make all those leaves swirl around. you cant do that with special effects. j/k I do believe in Ki, becuase if you have ever read the stuff at http://www.aikidofaq.com its cool

damn i made a mistake, he never actually went up to me and said he wanted to fight again. He told other kids in the school. I really really want to know though. All those people who use sweep kicks and things. If you were in a situation like this, where the attacker was very angry and there was danger, would you have kicked him in the joints? My friend who does thai boxing immediatly goes for the joints and i think this is VERY wrong to permanetly disable someone when there are much better techniques to be used. I mean, even if the person had a knife or baseball bat. You dont kick in the knees or groin. I think atleast. btw, yes i know that taekwondo has more than 12 groin techniques. That doesnt mean u must use them though. One more question, this is sortof offtopic. When you become very good at a martial art, do you have to register yourself as a weapon? I heard of a very strong boxer who had to do that in the state of Ca. I was just wondering [ This Message was edited by: Crucio on 2002-03-22 19:07 ]