Mr Pockets

While I totally agree with the point, it should be pointed out that Tank had SOME boxing background. Did he have the talent of the guys, maybe not- but apparently he hits harder than Mike and Chuck combined (not really, but you know).

Hahaha! I only hate when people try and talk physics in here because they usually get it all wrong, just using their basic physics 101 knowledge. It's funny you mention that too- because I am an engineer. (I also cringe when people start talking ki and stuff.) To respond quickly, first to mai tai- it's not so much about kinetic energy as momentum. The derivative of momentum is force, and force is what hurts you when you get hit. (This is why when impacts take longer, like falling on a pillow instead of concrete, the total momentum transfer is the same but it hurts less- as the maximum force at any time is less.) Now we all know the general equation for momentum is MV, mass times velocity. But in terms of punches and kicks, you can't really measure the "mass" behind a punch, the best you could do is measure the velocity of a mass that you punched and see what happened, if you can account for the natural energy losses. As for what justice wrote- the rebound you refer to is different than how you're thinking. The elasticity of an object matters only in how long the impact takes when it hits you. If it's a harder object (metal, rock, bone...) the impact takes a fraction of a second and the maximum force experienced is huge as compare to... if the object is soft (pillow, spring, etc) the impact takes a long time and the maximum force you ever experience is much smaller. An interesting factoid- if you drop a bouncing ball and it bounces to 90% the height of what it was dropped from, the total momentum experienced by the floor it boucned off of was 190% of the momentum it had falling, right before it impacted. This is why being thrown to the ground hurts so much, and why knuckles hurt more than gloves, and brass knuckles hurt more than that. (Harder objects "bounce" more momentum back into whatever is impacting with them.) The reason that using their torsos with their punches (that is, punching from their hips) is because that generates more force than you could hope to from your arms alone. (As it turns out, from baseball to boxing to jiujitsu, all your "power" comes from your hips.) This is why over half (I think the number was 60%?) of you punching strength comes from your legs, next your torso, and finally (something around 10-15%?) comes from your arms and chest.

Well, it's good for strenghening your neck- but if it's bad and your neck needs rest- just hold your hands on your head. Don't pull on your head at all, just let them hold your head up. When I say hold them on your head, I mean at the base, so that most of your hands are actually on your neck. That, for me, helps me support it without yanking on it.

While I like some Judo style throws, I'd personally feel better doing a wrestling take-down; single or double leg or taking his back. With that said, if a guy ever snuck up on me or got on my back, I'd probably go for a standard hipthrow. However, even facing the guy, if we clinched or I just saw the opportunity, I'd love to just toss a guy with a "head and arm" throw (I don't know the official name), those really let you slam the guy into the ground.

It's one of the better if not the best karates, or TMA's period, I think. Very combat oriented. Not quite thai boxing, but still rather hardcore.

Funniest fight I can think of is when this guy punched my friend's friend in some parking lot- so my friend thai-kicked him once in the stomache and the guy almost threw up. His girlfriend gor real concerned "oh my god you hurt him!" and he gave her a smug look that suggested she'd be better off going home with him.

I don't know about mothers in particular- but I've seen a lot of women in BJJ and they are HOT! Sucks that they all get into it because their husbands are into it. Kind of a catch-22.

when these people grow up fighting they tend to just fight other thugs so they dont get the experience of fighting someone that is truely skilled This is very true. However, a lot of the time, they still end up being pretty good at fighting; at least good enough to have a chance at beating you with Murphy's Law being so predominant in the world. I'd rather take on an unarmed thug than an amateur boxer... but a first year karate student would be preferable. (Please note that this is not an insult towards karate. A first year kung fu student, tkd, etc is also acceptable.)

The only thing I'd ever use except a fist is a palm- and that's only if I happen to be hitting them in the back of the head.

Force is not transmitted- momentum is. Force is the derivative of momentum- and when not padded a much larger force, over a shorter period of time (same momentum) is delevered- to your skull, your brain, everything. The guys you talked to have no idea what they're talking about. Back in the old days boxers used to box bare knuckel, or with tiny little gloves. They added padding to protect the boxers' knuckles first, and their bodies second. Gloves make the fights last longer, because there's less damage being done to everyone. Ask any boxer at all, would you rather take a punch with a 12oz glove or a 16 oz glove, he'll probably laugh at such a silly question. I'm being this adamant because I don't want some poor kid who doesn't know any better coming along and reading this to get completely the wrong idea and believe something that is blatantly false.

Sure, obviously the more the better (to a point), but once or twice a week is good. I have to say- those prices seem a little steep for a BJJ school, at least in my experience.

Quick lesson in physics (I hate to get academic, but I think you'll find it enlightening.) The longer an impact takes (like falling on a pillow rather than concrete) the less maximum force will hit you at any time. Boxing gloves are padded and greatly lengthen that impact time and make the max force that ever hits you drastically less. That sinking you refer to actually ensures that less of a maximum force ever goes into your head when you get punched. Also- the law of conservation of momentum states that, obviously, total momentum is conserved. Example 1: boxing gloves, hit with a certain speed and force and all that- into your face and don't bounce off your face at all. (Ignoring energy losses that make sound, heat, etc) all the momentum was transfered into your face. Example two: a bare fist with the same speed and force and all that hits your face and bounces off, the momentum transfer to your face is actually greater, because your face not only absorbs all of that momentum, but pushes back on your fist enough to make it fly back in the opposite direction (negative momentum, because of opposite direction, more momentum total in your face, actually.... Draw a picture, write it out, hopefully you'll see what I'm saying.) Whatever mass a 16oz glove adds to a punch, the weight of it slowing the punch down alone makes up for it, and it is essentially negligable in comparison to the force of the punch, and not even worth considering if you take into account the fact that the glove is so padded. If nothing else- take the experience of anyone who has had a bare knuckle fight (sanctioned or otherwise), and compare it to a 16oz glove fight. Why do you think MMA professionals spar with 16oz gloves instead of their tiny, hardly padded MMA gloves, let alone their bare hands? It's to soften the blows they take while practicing.

Their old sword arts- (not kendo, but today that's what it is), Iaido (the art of drawing the sword and cutting as fast as possible), and they first made jujitsu- based mostly off attacking the arm at the time because it was their last defense (or offense) on the battlefield, in case they lost their sword (and their enemy still had theirs).

Yea, the mob financed his movies in the old days.

Well, you can lift until failure, so long as failure occurs on the fifth or sixth rep.

It's the old 80/20 rule (80% of what you throw is punches, 20 is kicks.) Kicks, the effective ones (most out there aren't) are suppliments to the rest of what you're doing.

Cool.

If it's what I think it is- your joints just have small bumps in them (perfectly normal) and eventually that will go away (wears them down- like breaking in an engine.)

Actually, bodybuilders are in excellent physical shape. They have to be in great cardio shape, their reaction times are always in the top percentiles, they diet well... they are certainly not the worste shape of anything. (Leaving out the guys who juice and things like that.) Body building for SIZE isn't the best idea but it still gives you strength. Lifting for strength isn't the best for size, but you still get some. Also- all sprinters these days lift to further strengthen their legs (and rest of their bodies), just like all boxers lift to strenghten everything.

You need to be established in MMA before you fight in the UFC. For now, you need to look into BJJ and either boxing or thai boxing.

All the martial arts are pretty unrealistic when the officer has a gun. Seems to me they'd be more for when he or she doesn't.

I will admit that I don't believe you- because if I went for a double or single and the guy squatted, I'd do several things off the top of my head- pick an ankle, clinch and step one foot behind his and bring him down, or just plow right through him and mount. Also, it seems to me I might be able to take his back.

Man, you'd be surprised....

Lots of points made allready... so here's a different one: Of all the professional fighters in the world, thai boxers in Thailand, Boxers, UFC and Pride fighters... the serious guys (and if you want to get in a debate about their skill of fighting not being the same as some karatekas who doesn't compete for different scenerios, save it), I can't think of any who have katas in their training routine. Fact is, there are more effective ways of training; more useful things on which to spend their time. There are only so many ways to punch, kick, and whatever someone- and only a handful of those ways are actually useful. You can practice those thigns on focus pads, heavy bags, shadow boxing, sparring... all of which are more efficient learning methods than doing a kata. (Someone will probably say that's just my opinion- to which I reply read my above statements.) The same goes for conditioning the body. Kata today are obsolete, and retaining them is fine if you want to, nothign wrong with posterity, but don't expect to learn how to fight with them like you would elsewhere.

Agreed, but it's still good to know some basics of how to handle yourself down there. Come to think of it, a lot of BJJ instructors will do seminars, and it wouldn't be that hard for someone of instructor level to know and teach what would be useful spefically to law guys in law enforcement.