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Okay, but if you wanna argue anymore please PM him.

Sometimes it is not always in your best interest to bust the guy's knee (excessive force anyone?). Treebranch, what other takedowns would be more practical against a big guy? The DLT would be good if you can do it because the guy would shaken up a bit as he hits the ground.

It's not really a running attack, I said that because you get some forward momentum behind the strike. The "running attack" and the DLT are two differnet scenarios.

Who said anything about beating the guy into hospital state? Do we as martial artists not believe in using as little force necessary to end a threat? Use the first strike. Follow up with an aggresive verbal command e.g. BACK OFF. If this stops him you can leave quickly. If you have just told him again to stop this attack against yourself and he comes in again, I think everyone would be able to see you would have to continue your retaliation.

Cybren, did you not read the other posts I've made? I've said a few times you go physical if amongst other things, you cannot verbally dissuade your attacker. If the witnesses see you trying to talk the guy out of it, I think they'd see that you did not want any. Then hitting the guy because he didn't stop would be prety reasonable.

Thank the higher power of whichever religion you partake in a couple guys understand what I mean

It's right at the top of the post. He is threatening you, verbally or physically it doesn't make much of a difference. The move is reactive. I say so right at the start, guys.

Did I not make it clear that you are REACTING to a verbal threat from the attacker? As I see it, someone verbally attacking you, then backing you up against a wall or grabbing you violently is beginning an attack on you. You have every right to end that threat. Unless of course you can escape or verbally dissuade the guy as I've said before.

Oh okay. I thought they were heavier than your bodyweight. Umm.... I'm pretty thin, say 130 pounds. How heavy should a hanging bag be?

What did you mean by that?

No they're totally separate things. Sorry I didnt make that clear. The first low kick would be a sort of savate kick come to think of it, except you're moving forward more. http://www.kolumbus.fi/savate.club.helsinki/img/historia2.gif There's a pic of the kick I mean. Hope you get the idea. (The guy on the left.)

BTW, would it be better to grab your opponent as you knee him?

1. Do you guys think this would work? You are about kicking range. Your attacker's right foot is forward. You throw a short low kick at your opponent's ankle with your rear (right) leg. Now you would be in a position with the rear knee bent, the kicking leg straight, your torso leaning back slightly. Your bodyweight is on your supporting leg. Next you start to lean forward as you shift your bodyweight onto the lead leg, pinning your opponent's foot to the floor. Your lead leg should now be bent with your back leg straight. Your torso is over your hips, straight up.(Please note you are moving forward as this happens. It's an in-between move, if you know what I mean.) Finally you keep your torso moving forwards slightly, as you straighten up your front leg (all the weight should be on your opponent's foot, stopping his leg from moving) and slam your rear knee into his (outside?) thigh. Then start pounding with your close range weapons as you step down with the kneeing leg behind your opponent so you are positioned slightly behind him. This works best if you're side-on to the other guy. Slightly off-centre is enough though. It has to be done quickly so that you can kick and then pin your opponent's foot. I suppose the kick could just be a long step. Whew! Sorry that's a little long. If I could get some pics I would. 2. Any advice for body position etc for taking down a big guy with a double leg takedown?

Also the move is not reactive strike it's a pre-emptive strike.

Most fights begin with some sort of verbal attack first. This will be at conversation range, about 18 inches. If you cannot verbally diffuse the situation and cannot escape, and you know it's going to get physical, you are legally justified to end the threat. Read 'The Fence' or 'Fighting Without Fighting' by Geoff Thompson. This guy is an expert of fight psychology.

In your opinion, how much heavier than their bodyweight does a heavy bag need to be for the average-strength person.

Okay, let's try to get the convo going again. Here's an example of a move from another TRS video, namely 'Fight to in' by Jim West. Chin Blast - good for when a big guy is threatening you or you're backed up. 1. Place your hand on your attacker's chest as if trying o calm him down. Look submissive. 2. Flip your hand around, and drive your elbow up into his chin, using your legs for more power. 3. Follow up with a strike to the groin or throat. Pretty basic techniques for us martial artists, but put into a scenario where they could be used very effectively and simply.

Does anyone know of Pankration classes or seminars in the UK, preferably North West England/Norh East Wales, or in and around Dublin, Ireland.

So would I be right in saying that Pankration is a style that advocates striking over grappling: more punching than kicking, and lots of close range striking. When they grapple it's usually limb destructions, strangles, or injurous takedowns, techniques that keep them standing. If the fight does go to the ground, they will try to finish it off by striking before going into a grappling hold if need be. (Although they are good at both. )

I also like the fact that he says (contrary to what the notorious TRS ads say) that you need DISCIPLINED PRACTICE for the material to work.

Jim Arvanitis (the father of modern Pankration) has a few instructional videos. His TRS tapes are pretty good if you want to know more about the history of the art and basic techniques. I curently own the 'Close Range Fighting' and 'Fight-Ending Ground Skills' tapes.

Hey you two, if you wanna argue about names, PM each other. This is for Boxing Dirty Tricks. Thank you.

I should add I haven't had much exposure to the art. All I know is they favour striking over grappling. They also use the laws of physics and kinesiology to help their training aswell. I think.

Hello and welcome to my little Pankration thread. f any of you guys and girls have any experiences of the art (preferably street-oriented schools), techniques, tactics, tips etc. Please post! Oss!

I saw some school on TV, I think it was Ninjitsu. I believe it to be genuine. He was making irritant powders and stuff like that. I also remember one scene where he advocated biting an attacker who had their arm around your throat. He said something like "Sink your teeth in and shake your head violently, so the muscle tears off." Now, I don't believe there to be any McDojos who would teach brutal techniques such as that.