Lazy Scholar

JKD to me, is an art comprised of philosophy, principles, and tools that express the former. JKD can be said to be fencing without the sword, and throughout my experience in JKD, nothing could be further from the truth. The intrigue that lies in JKD is that how the principles, philosophy and tools all complement each other well.

I brought up the issue of lineage because it seems that some of the points made by some posters were way out there. Well i'll re evaluate your points and go from there.

Okay i took issue with the posts from the three posters before me. It started with a guy trying to set the record straight as to what JKD is and what it isn't.

don't know. but i just saw a lot of the crap being posted by the armchair dudes. I'll try and read through all of it though as much as it pains me :\.

Thanks. That's fine, neither have I but I get tired (i knowi should ignore) of those arm chair JKD'ers.

Can I ask a good majority of those here to state their JKD lineage, because there are a lot of people here that make claims about JKD that have no backing behind them but their own opinions about something they've never experienced. I really want to discern those that actually train in the ART of JKD from those that just read the 14.95 books you get from borders. Mine: Lee ---> Inosanto --> Tim Tackett / Bob Bremer --> My friend who shall be nameless. ; I also have: Lee ---> Ted Wong --> MS --> DP.

ultimate art - > you , your body and how you decide to use it, what you want is directness and utmost efficiency in your mechanics, timing, and awareness.

First of all, Happy Turkey day all. My lineage since this has come into question is : Dan Inosanto / Bob Bremer --- > tim tackett ---> Dennis Blue / Louie Berard --- > Shawn King ---> Myself. The group I associate has a website : https://www.jkdwednite.com

Check him out. I've heard nothing but good things about him and his guys. You said he's close to your home right? GO FOR IT ! My instructor met up with one of his hardcore students and he can vouch that they're good at what they do.

I think James Lee ; Bruce's assistant in Oakland said " everything works and nothing works"

sorry that's not a JKD school again give yourself credit where you deserve it. Why hang onto the name of JKD? I only identify with JKD because that's what I train at the moment. When I go out and train Jiujitsu, it'll be jiujitsu that I'm going to be training not JKD; although I'll continue training in JKD when I train it. Likewise for Jiujutsu. although I could apply JKD to the jiujutsu it'll be something that is mine because it'll be based on my understanding of both jkd and JJ. I can say through or by my understanding of these two arts I came away with something that fits me, my structure physically and mentally.

I'll do that. my latest post was a response to jbone's

but is that JKD ? it would be your creation wouldn't it be? you surely could use any art or structure as a guideline, but in the end that would be all its use and what comes out of it, is your product; no one elses; not Bruce's, not mine, not your buddy's, YOURS. So like I mentioned earlier why give something else credit for your own creation? It wouldn't do any justice for the other art, or more importantly it wouldn't do any justice to yourself. What's wrong with giving yourself a pat on the back every now and then? In regards to seasoned Martial artists, that may be true but he did teach someone from scratch: Ted Wong, who had no martial arts experience when he joined Bruce's Jun Fan Gung Fu Institute. It was some months after their meeting that Bruce decided to take him up as a private student.

that JKD was invented by James Joyce. I'm guessing he's joking. and about his comment regarding what is jun fan jeet kune do. From what I've seen Jun Fan Jeet Kune Do is concerned with Bruce's body of work both in terms of martial science and martial philosophy.

DM . Sorry.

huh? are you joking here? Jeet Kune Do was born from Bruce's genius. I guess your perspective is different since you're of concepts or at least you view it in that light. For me Jeet Kune Do is comprised of influences from Wing Chun , Fencing, and Western Boxing. Anything that isn't taught by Bruce Lee isn't JKD. For example a thai kick is a thai kick; not a JKD kick. Some kicks in JKD are lead front, lead side, lead hook (round), lead inverted hook, scoop kick. JKD has certain footwork (step slide, slide step, push shuffle, burning step, pendulum step, burst shuffle, side step, quick step, etc) as well as punching tools.

Yeah DM I saw nothing offending. Something has to be done about this JKD character. What his motives are I don't know. Is he trying to be a smart *? Trying to be funny ? (not working if that's the case). Oh well I throw my arms up. There comes a point when one needs an instructor but as one JKD instructor pointed out : if you can do it, do it right, do it without thinking about it then you don't need it, but then again you still need another person to monitor / guide you (in the form of a training partner / sparring partner). 95% of the material in JKD is to be partner based. The other 5% are self motivated ventures like striking of the bag, conditioning.

From what I've read so far. I think he 's mainly debating what the poster Jeet Kune Do is trying to sell in that an instructor isn't needed. In the sense of JKD things have to be performed properly as with any art. A lead punch is a lead punch but that thing won't have much affect on an opponent if it's executed in a sloppy manner or the application of it is done really badly because someone wasn't efficient as a training partner or instructor by pointing out the bad habits. I think that's what DM was trying to get when he gave the example of someone getting books and stuff as opposed to someone going to an instructor on the same subject matter.

I'm not sure but from the top of my head I think it wouldn't; I could be wrong though

rick no it doesn't . you either train in the art and science of JKD or you don't. You can go your merry way and utilize JKD philosophy, but that'd be the only thing really that you can give JKd credit for. IT's like the idea of stealing intellectual property. And why would you go as far as to give something else credit for something that you came up with your own. Isn't it more proper to say that you were inspired by JKD? Rather than you call yourself a JKD student? I'm sure anybody of any art would feel kind of robbed when you say what you do is art X when you're not even a practitioner of art X, again rather than saying you were inspired by Art X

drunken , you're on spot with the process of learning, abiding, and dissolving cool; finally someone who gets the idea

I'm gone for this long and I'm greeted with three pages of this stuff? to the man using the alias of JKD; you're doing nothing but disgracing the art and science that was born from the genius of Bruce Lee. When talking about JKD, what are you addressing it as ? a philosophy? fighting method? Let us know because we just dont' want any confusion because if you're going to address JKD as it is, then I'd say you're going to address JKD as a WHOLE; a whole which includes not only philosophy, but principles which govern the use of the tools of the trade. For Everyone else: Bruce viewed punches and kicks as tools of the trade. He made a distinction between tools of the trade vs techniques. Techniques are means or ways of delivering the tool; now i'm not referring to performing the tools, just their delivery in terms of timing and placement. In JKD there are tools that a JKD student learns: On Guard Position / (at times) natural position, lead punch, rear straight, rear cross, backfist, elbow, lead hook kick, lead side kick, lead front kick, etc. There are also principles applied to these tools and their delivery : economy of motion, longest weapon to nearest target, utilization of strongest side forward, etc. Philosophy wherein the cultivation takes place where eventually a dissolving takes place where one doesn't think about delivery of the tools but rather he psychologically has no notion of style in that he is no longer concerned whether his style is the style and so forth. For one to say that one doesn't need an instructor, maybe maybe not. Probably more important is the need of a training partner but then again either one or both involved must have a sufficient idea as to what the tools of JKD are and how they're performed as well as how to train those properly, which goes back to either of the people having previous JKD training with antoehr person that has sufficient exposure to JKD and so forth. I hate to make this long but when I see someone posting under a banner of JKD and talks the stuff that he or she has spoken then I just have to put my foot in and stop the rubbish that is being spread.

I'm gone for this long and I'm greeted with three pages of this stuff? to the man using the alias of JKD; you're doing nothing but disgracing the art and science that was born from the genius of Bruce Lee. When talking about JKD, what are you addressing it as ? a philosophy? fighting method? Let us know because we just dont' want any confusion because if you're going to address JKD as it is, then I'd say you're going to address JKD as a WHOLE; a whole which includes not only philosophy, but principles which govern the use of the tools of the trade. For Everyone else: Bruce viewed punches and kicks as tools of the trade. He made a distinction between tools of the trade vs techniques. Techniques are means or ways of delivering the tool; now i'm not referring to performing the tools, just their delivery in terms of timing and placement. In JKD there are tools that a JKD student learns: On Guard Position / (at times) natural position, lead punch, rear straight, rear cross, backfist, elbow, lead hook kick, lead side kick, lead front kick, etc. There are also principles applied to these tools and their delivery : economy of motion, longest weapon to nearest target, utilization of strongest side forward, etc. Philosophy wherein the cultivation takes place where eventually a dissolving takes place where one doesn't think about delivery of the tools but rather he psychologically has no notion of style in that he is no longer concerned whether his style is the style and so forth. For one to say that one doesn't need an instructor, maybe maybe not. Probably more important is the need of a training partner but then again either one or both involved must have a sufficient idea as to what the tools of JKD are and how they're performed as well as how to train those properly, which goes back to either of the people having previous JKD training with antoehr person that has sufficient exposure to JKD and so forth. I hate to make this long but when I see someone posting under a banner of JKD and talks the stuff that he or she has spoken then I just have to put my foot in and stop the rubbish that is being spread.

https://www.jkdwednite.com Check to see if their instructors are too far from you or not. I hope not.

There's one notable that does teach Tai Chi and JKD . His name is Daniel Lee (no relation to Bruce). I forgot his web address, but it should be out there somewhere.