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This should answer your question pretty well. http://members.tripod.com/kswflo/korean_terms.htm#Names%20and%20Titles

delta1, I'm not familiar with the "crane hand", could you describe it for me? Would it be anything similar to the "mantis grab" I was referring to?

This post was originally published as an article in a dedicated KarateForums.com Articles section, which is no longer online. After the section was closed, this article was most to the most appropriate forum in our community. "The Days of Old." I've often thought that I must have missed my time in history by about a few hundred years. Riding through the countryside, clad in armor, defending the King and kingdom from all threats. Or perhaps running across a field, charging with Katana drawn, to defend my Shogun or emperor. Ok, perhaps this is a little too romantic a version of how things were. Maybe I've thrown in a little more drama and have neglected all the blood, gore and barbarism. However, no one can deny that there is a certain draw to those times of violence and constant conflict. For the majority of people I've talked with, the draw has been because of the honor and chivalry that is depicted in so many of the historical recreations of that time period. Granted, chivalry is a term usually reserved for only the age of knights. However, the samurai and their code of honor exhibited many of the same traits. I can't really attribute my character and beliefs to any single influence. I've just always seemed to have a deep seeded belief that those with a gift or power should be honor bound to use it to benefit society. Perhaps not with the intent of benefiting all society as a whole, but at least as far as their area of influence can stretch. A manager should do their best to help the people reporting to them, not leave them hung out to dry when layoff time comes. Teachers should act in a responsible and upright manner when helping to mold each new generation of youth as they come through the halls, not take advantage of their position by abusing them or worse. And in every case, with every level of person in our societal scheme, it is up to the strong to defend the weak, not use them as stepping-stones to become stronger. I've given a short version of my first martial art instruction in a couple of older threads. I've wanted to learn the martial arts ever since the first Chuck Norris and Bruce Lee movies I saw. The skills they displayed were remarkable to me at the time. And, the chivalry they displayed, defending those that couldn't defend themselves, kindled the feelings I had always had and wish someone had done for me when I was the defenseless. However, I lived in an extremely small town and no martial art instruction was to be found for 30 miles. So it went, until my senior year in High School. A young man moved into town and opened a small martial arts studio in his spare time. It seemed to be a mix of mainly Shotokan and Tae Kwon Do, but that is irrelevant. It was a martial art and that's all I needed to know. I signed up almost immediately and loved every second I was there. I practiced what little I had learned almost constantly and everything looked like it would work out great. Unfortunately, things aren't always what they seem. A few weeks after starting class, a few guys showed up at the dojo. At first, I thought they were inquiring about classes. I soon was able to pick up that they were pals of my new instructor. Now this wouldn't normally concern me, but I knew these guys. Actually, in that small town, everybody knew everybody. These guys were a couple years older than me and dropped out of high school as juniors. They weren't "really" working anywhere and yet they drove up in a relatively new Camero and Harley. You do the detective work. I was thrown into a dilemma. I was just hit with the fact that the person I thought was to define honor and righteous behavior was hanging out every weekend with the local drug dealers. Did this automatically mean he was using? No. Did this mean he was doing anything illegal? No. What this meant was that he was friends with these guys, had to know what they were up to and still hung out with them. I hung around a couple more weeks to be sure it wasn't a one time thing. Unfortunately, it wasn't. I had a decision to make and it didn't take long to make it. As much as I had longed to study the martial arts, it meant as much to me that I learn them from someone that I respected as it did to learn them. If chivalry was dead here, I would continue my search. Thanks to college and family, I wasn't able to start studying again for about six years. At that time I happened into a small school that I thought was Tae Kwon Do. While it wasn't what I had planned for long-term study, it was certainly going to get me into shape and help my flexibility while I looked for what was right for me. I met a small man inside, who offered me an introductory offer for a couple months. This man turned out to be Master Barry Harmon, highest ranking non-oriental in the world for Kuk Sool Won. His wife is the highest-ranking woman in the world. Together, they ran a school that was not only a test of the mind and body, but one in which the principles of chivalry are to be observed at all times, both inside and outside of the dojang. And so, here I am. Approximately 10 years later. I've moved almost 3,000 miles from that dojang and have to drive an hour each day to continue my training at the nearest Kuk Sool Won dojang, but I've been able to pursue my training with a clear conscience and my longing has been fulfilled. However, now I relate to closely with a character many on these forums are familiar with. Rurouini Kenshin, the wandering samurai, uses his skills to defend the weak as he wanders through a society that has started to forget the ways of honor. I know, he's atoning for his prior acts and I have no such atonement to make. Still, I feel sometimes as if I am wandering through a sea of honor less crowds. People stabbing former friends in the back to get up the corporate ladder, parents fighting at their kid's sports events, younger and younger criminals holding up the local gas station, etc. I do what I can because I feel it's my duty. Does this mean I'll pull a Steven Segal and take on an armed robber at the store? Of course it doesn't. I will, however, make sure I get a description and license. I will work to cool tempers as they arise. I will influence, where I can, the actions of others being tempted to do wrong to someone else. In short, I live my life with chivalry and attempt to kindle that desire in all I see a desire to. I don't think for a minute I'm going to single handedly change the world. But perhaps if I succeed in influencing enough people to follow the right path and others like me do the same, then there will always be enough of us to counter the evil influences of the world. So, is chivalry really dead? Heck no, not as long as I'm still around. We're just harder to pick out of the crowd without our shiny armor on.

kempocos, I agree. But the subtleties of the "proper" movements are too difficult for me to explain on a message board. I'm too much of a "hands on" type I guess. Treebranch, also a good point about controlling their center of gravity.

Pretty or not, I've sucessfully used these type of techniques in full speed sparring. Perhaps not the exact one I described, but ones with the same principles. However, I did neglect to state in my previous post that these are not jab type punches I'm countering, but the more powerful punches where they shift their weight forward. Also, please do not read too much into my simplistic description. The x block is for beginners to grasp the concepts, and so I used it for the description. As you advance you are expected to use one handed circle grabs and mantis grabs of either the wrist or sleeve.

Welcome to KF.

We have dozens of techniques where we're grabbing or locking a punch, but what are you doing (or trying to do) after that? If you just grab it, yeah you're going to get clocked. Our grabs/ locks are only the first in a series of steps for the counter. For instance: X block the puch, clockwise circle as you counter grab their hand, lock the wrist and elbow by grabbing the hand with thumbs on the back of their hand, then kick their midsection in half. Footwork is cricial as well, to keep the proper distance. However, this was difficult enough to put into words.

Now, now gentlemen. I'm sure it was only meant in gest. The question was if anyone knew of open tourneyments in the Tri-city area. By the way, Three Rivers, I used to live in Richland when I was 7-9. Back before you guys lost a mountain. Rather arid, but great for bike riding out in the dunes.

You may want to refine your question a bit. Japanese JJ is both taditional and grappling. Depending on you definition of "grappling", so are Aikido and Hapkido.

We study cane techniques as well. I love all the locking/choking opportunities with a circled handle.

Welcome to KF.

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Looks like something the master put togeather himself. You'll have to go and ask for the "roots" of the system from them. At first glance, it would appear to have been developed from at least one style of karate, but I can't be sure from what's there.

Technically, it's not failing. We have to take a series of tests for BB. You get additional black stripes on your brown for each test, but you will never pass on your first time. Also shows our patience and perseverance.

Well, except for not being able to elevate myself as high as some, I've been able to pull off everthing I've been asked to perform so far. (Of course, it is usually followed by extremely long visits to the hot tub afterward.) I have had to adapt a number of techniques, because when I attempt them on certain people, they just don't go the direction they "should" due to the physical properties of their joints. Oh wait, I know. I really wanted to reach out and slap ZR. However, he's just too far away. So, I adapted my attacks to verbal ones, where I torment him with my ability (and his lack of) to obtain his favorite beer here on the East Coast!

Possibly a more in depth knowledge of each art than you get from an already fused one?

Questions are always welcome. Welcome to the forums.

You definately can. Learn the techniques as your instructor teaches them, then modify them slightly to compensate for your physical situation. Look at Master Harmon. Injured his right hand years ago. He adapted all the sword techniques for his left and is still the predominant swordsman in KSW.

sano, In the event you took that as a jab at your skills, it wasn't. However, in general, if a person is going to learn a fancy kick for the sole reason of making people angry, then that person had better know how to defend against those angry people. It's just that I got a vision of Blood Sport, where Bolo's opponent did a bunch of fancy moves, and he just stepped in and nailed him. No offense was intended.

I found this in another topic under General. http://www.karateforums.com/viewtopic.php?p=69484&highlight=viet#69484 Don't know if it's the same as what you're asking about.

Hey, I like driving my suped up Trans Am too, but I'm not going to go out and drive in a Nascar event.

Yeah, that would probably be a good idea.

Hmmm. Well, if anyone asking a question was getting flammed, then I would hope it wasn't WKSA sponsored. If it was, then it probably isn't around anymore.