WC-Strayder

Oh, god, we really need heroes in this world, don't we ....... I gladly fight like a school girl if thats what it takes to keep me alive!. I have no problem with that. Hell, I do anything to be alive, I have only one life and is highly depending on it just to be here and have no interest in fighting for sport just to prove that. If my wing chun really works I hope I never find out, coz I really don't know the outcome of a fight!. In a life and dead matter you can not trust anything and sometimes it's just luck thats pulls you thru a fight. I know, coz I had a few when I was younger and I'm just lucky to be alive. What I do not understand is that some of you think you will win a street fight just because you fight in a ring. Hows that?. It's a lot of factors in a fight and prediction of the outcome is not one of them, believe me!. We spar. Not for competition or in a ring, but we still spar as close to the reallity as it's posible to come and I have a lot of bruces and frog lipps to prove for it. Some times we even where gloves and teeth protection and really "finds it out" the hard way what works and what not, but I personally knows it will work in a fight and that is enough for me. I have nothing to prove for others, I'm to old for that. The WC man on the video was no well prepared fighter, even I, with only a year with Wing Chun can see that. Looks like he was going for it to me, but to be honest with you, I really don't care!. Do your training well and do not forget the biggest thing in life, to be a good human being.

Like they say: If you deserve a black belt you do not need one!. To bad it is so many people who has one, but don't deserve one!. Personally I don't give a darn about belts. It is there just to se where I stand in my training, nothing else. It covers only tre inches of your ass anyway, the rest you have to cover for yourself and to bad for you if you train and get a belt in a McDojo...... It will never be fashion with black karate belts on a party anyway, so why bother??...

Sorry TJS, your right. WC is best for self defence, not for sport. And wc works better when you don't know that you have a wc man in front of you, if you know what I mean, and you are right when you say it don't work that well in a ring, so this discusion is really leading us nowhere.... I also know that this have been said before, but a lot of the teckniques we learn is no good in a ring, it is not just something we say, it is true. Personally I hope I'll never have to use what I have learn on anybody, coz thats gonna hurt the person very mush, maybe take his life, so you might say that this dirty figting has nothing in a ring to do. You might not believe this, but I think it is a lot harder for a wrestler to take anyone to the ground now than for a couple of years ago, coz now a days I think every style is avere of the treat from wrestlers and train more to stop them, at least we do. But then again, we never gonna find that out, coz I do not train for competition, but for self-defence. And your right, one place I do not want to end up on the steets is the ground , but you have to work really hard to get me there.....

Here we go again. Classic wc stance, yeah right!. But then again, if you wanna judge a style from one man on one video and call that style bad you are sooo right. BS I like to call it, B-coz it BS then and BS now. Sorry TJS, I do not think that video prove that wrestling is any better than wing chun, even I can se that!. I had seen that video before on the net and you use it just tha same way they used it, trying to prove that there style was soo mush better than WC, but to the rest of us it don't prove nothing, sorry. Try something else.

Iron arms is made on the wooden dummy. And some good technique training too. If you just do karate and jujijtsu I guess you have no use for it, coz in wing chun we do not block strikes, but deflect them and if you try that you ruin your karate, so my best guess is to sell it. Not to me, coz I live in the cold, deep and snowy mountains of Norway, or middle of nowhere for you guys, (read: Norway) , but to a Wing Chun club in the US of A. My better guess for you, if you are interested, is to learn wing chun sticky hands, a very effective close combat system also learned on the wooden dummy. Buy a book or invite someone that can teatch you some of the basics in chi sao sticky hands, coz that is great even if you train jujijtsu and karate.... just a wild guess.

No, I do not fear death!. What I do fear is the pain I'll suffer before I die, but not death it self. Death is for me a totally normal and nessesary thing in life, we all gonna die sooner or later so that do not scare me anymore, but what scares me is how I die. To put it this way: I rather be strucked by lightning, runed over by a truck or shot dead, with other words die very quicklly than die in old age after years and years of living pain hell, but who cares. Put in other words you can say that it is life that scares me, not death it self..... We don't own life, we just borrow it from the earth we live on..... sort of like KI...

Sounds ok, but is it not so in every style/art??. In all styles/arts (I think!) your sifu/sensei/trainer will hand you the tools, or basics, but it is up to you how you use that tool to fit you the best. You sort of making your "own" style, or "bend" it to fit you the best, if you see what I mean. Or else there will be "monkey sees/monkey does" stuff all the way, right? JKD vs other styles?. It all comes down to the man/woman and what s/he has learned, nothing else!. It is not the years in practice that counts, but the hours and dedication in that practice and, offcause, the way you handle basics, or tools given too you. Master the basics, then you kung fu will become great!. (Kung Fu means that you are good in something and not just good in martial art, that so many seems to believe! Your kung fu is good in fishing if you're a master fisherman for instance) And that goes for JKD too I guess...... Be nice and the nice becomes nicer..... err??

Jeet kune do IS other martial art, is it not?. They "steal" (or borrow from others, depend how you see it.... )what they think will do the jobb from any system that comes along and make that a "system" of there own... Correct??. This to me makes JKD a style that uses other styles as it's own style and it can never be JKD VS other MA styles coz of that..... but hey, it is just me thinking this...

I am 35 years old and I started with Wing Chun Kung Fu for about a year ago and loves it! It's lightning fast, brutal and effective self-defence and it gives me all the tools I will need in a fight, including good stamina and fatigue. I've changed from a rather round shape to a rather good shape during this year too. I've also quit smoking and have a lot better health now than when I started, so I guess it was about time for me to start and is just glad it was Wing Chun I started with, just by coincidence, not by choise really. I love Wing Chun for it directness, no BS techniques and for it's excellent sparring and B-coz it get's me in very good shape. It is something for all in Wing Chun Kung Fu....... even you

Yeah, he just tap out after he is shot or stabed!. Great man this whatever grasie!. Take it easy, I got heros to.....

Wing Chun for sure!. It will give you all the tools you ever need and then some for self defence plus a good deal of weapon training. I have done Wing Chun my self for about a year and find it very interesting and usefull. (I'm 35 years old, so I'm old enough to know what work and what not) We also have stick fighting in training (I do not know from where, coz that is not traditional I think!!). TKD and karate is also great, but you gonna love Wing Chun!. It's a simple, very effective and very easy to learn style who use priciples instead of techniques and gonna give you what your after, self defence. So look no further, you have what you want in Wing Chun gong-fu, a (life)style of tools!. Don't listen to all the people that says you have too cross train for self defence, B-coz that ain't true. Better to be really good in one than a nuthead in many. Another reason is that is wing chun gonna give you the tool you need to get the job done, believe me, you gonna love it!!. So I say: Wing Chun gong-fu for sure!!!.

Katas/forms is a great way to learn and remember techniques and a great tool when you practice alone!. It has nothing to do with self defence, like many here seems to think, but a tool to remember stuff. I persoally do the Sil Lim Tao, the first form in Wing Chun Kung Fu, every morning, sometimes more during the day, and every day it gives me a little deeper understanding of the techniques in wing chun. WCKF do not compete in forms, like they do in karate?(Katas). We use it as a thing to perfect our technique and postures, nothing else.

The question is pretty lame itself, B-coz kung fu involves somewhere between 100 to 5000? diffrent styles/arts..... some of them very hard to learn. The only style in kung fu I know of is wing chun, who is sort of like krav maga, direct and with no bull*** and very agile in a street fight. I also know that there is a lot of kung fu styles out there who is far more superior to both Wing Chun and Krav Maga, but it takes decades too learn and even more decades to master, so I stick with wing chun, the only style I know of that have ALL the tools I will ever need to defend myself with.... Yes, I know that most of you will not agree with that, but I said my self, didn't I????.....

If you look closer you will notice that the B in front of BJJ is the biggest diffrence from JJ....... No, I really dont know, to be honest...

Sounds like a good old classic "McDojo" to me!. Both kick boxing, free style and BJJ is so popular these days that it would be more then enough, don't you think?. What have gone thru these peoples minds adding Kung Fu to all that?. Every one knows that kung fu, whatever style, is totally worthless if you don't practice it for at least 15-20 years, soo what's the point adding that to the syllabus too?. No, go down there and check it out with eyes wide open and ears like doors, coz I smell something fishy from a looong distance here.... (Aspessially if Kung Fu is for self defence, B-coz it is not!)

I bet that he never, ever will fight on the street!!!. Wanne bet against?. No matter how god you are in something you can still get shot!. I don't know if any of you ever had a seriuos street fight, and with that I don't mean a fight against some drunk punk, but a real life or dead fight with a maniac armed with a knife, but you don't wanna be there, believe me!. Nor will mister Royse Grasie, so it is never gonna happend. Case closed.

VERY good article Treebranch, thank you!. Thinking of it in this way have made me understand what I'm doing a lot better, so again, thank you for "opening" my eyes about it. (I myself was once that "no good son of a B**** " he is refering to, so I know he is right!. Better to be humble and do self improvment, not self defense!). Thanks!!

I choose Wing Chun Kung Fu by shear luck!. I didn't even know what it was before my first class, but I fell in love with it at onse!. My goal is to defend my-self and those I love and to get in good shape. If I can choose I don't think I ever gonna stop with Wing Chun, it is soo many great things to learn and soo mush to do. My first goal right now is the yellow sash, but thats not the reason I train, the reason is that I wanna learn more...... to become deep inside Wing Chun, thats my end goal!!. It gives me great tools, both in a fight and in real life!

I think it's better to be really good in one skill than a junkhead of many. Most styles out there will give you the tool's you need, whatever thay is, but if you train BJJ, why do anything else???.

I'm 35 years old and I can tell you for a fact that I get some pretty funny looks from peolpe when I tell them I do Wing Chun Kung Fu. Looks like "in his age!" and "he is kidding me, right??!" and "Is he really doing it or is he pulling my nose here??!". People in my age usually don't end up "testing" this or fighting it out, but I had some "fights" with friends and people who didn't believe me and had to see for them self. The only problem is that MA is not for "play fighting, so I ended one fight straining a guys ribs when I did pushing hands on him. But I do not tell anyone if the subject don't come up for some reason, it's my stuff, not anyone elses.... So have fun, thats what counts most....

I guess I got what I need in Wing Chun!. The choise I had WAS a health studio or Wing Chun training and I'm very glad I made that choise, coz, like I said, it gives me something back. So why should I bother taking another style?. I meen, I'm 35 years old and for me it is mush better to stick with only one style and be really good in that than be a sucker in two styles or more, wouldn't you agree with that?. I do not do MA for a livin (thanks for that, else I be pretty broke by now!!!), but for the fun of it, to get in shape with it and, offcause, to kick some butt's if I need to. So why should I take more?.

See what you mean. When I started in Wing Chun for about a year ago they said that it was NOT usual to use focus mitts, punch bags and other "modern" equipment and defiantly not any sparring in wing chun training, so I quess that style is evolving a little too!. I don't know all in wing chun sullabus, but as far as I had seen it, it has more than enough for me to defend my self with and for my fittness and health and that is why I do it. I think it is a lot of fun and it give me, compared to a training gum, something in return... Good self defence!.

Krav Maga is OK, but you have a big well of really good self-defence styles in Kung Fu to!. I personally know that Wing Chun is a very effective self-defence system, and easy to learn too!. But like some of you said, both can be used..

OK, thanks for answering my questions Andrew Green. The reason I asked was because it seem to me that a lot of people think TMA is somehow outdated when it comes to combat and self-defence, but people do still have 2 arm, 2 legs and 1 head, have they not?. I can still defend myself with so called "traditional Wing Chun", can't I?. I think that MA always has had its "hype". Right now this "hype" is the MMA and simular, 20 years ago this "hype" was Bruse Lee and tomorrow, when the "hype" thing has rubbed off MMA, (it has allready started to do that), there gonna be a some new "hype" to throw our self at, but you will allways have the traditional to learn from. The building blocks of MA, if you see my point. I'm a big fan of just about any MA there is and love to see a good fight on the TV, but to more I see too more I believe that it is room for everything, and not just one thing.

Questions to AndrewGreen: If, or maybe when, the style/art you are training in becomes "traditional", do you quit and start with something new??. What style/art IS the best option?. When you say : " TMA are effective to a degree for some things, but if effectiveness is the only concern they are not the best option. No "style" is, you need to create your own style. ", I must ask: Isn't all TMA just that, someones "own" style?. Have it not been for that there would be only "one" karate, "one" kung-fu, "one" of whatever, but there is many "evolving" styles out there, still evolving today. You talk like your "style", whatever that is, is the only future in MA, the only effective style/art, but you can bet your right arm that we still gonna discuss this ten years from now!. You wanne bet against??.