WC-Strayder

Stay with Wing Chun, atleast for some years. You will see that a LOT of what they learn in jkd ARE wing chun. If you are of the MTV generation and want to be a "fighter" right a way, go for JKD. Or try both. It's your choise. You are just as "free" to use what ever you like in wing chun as you are in JKD after a while, but in both system you still need basics, the tools, to fight and if your wing chun school is allright I'll stick to that. Forget the footwork ala boxing, thats a sport fighting style and it consist of hopping up and down, a blind side, a strong/weak side and a strong/weak arm, none of it is good if self defence is what your after. In wing chun you will learn too use both your arms and both feets as strong, no matter if you are "right paw" og "south paw". So I say stick with Wing Chun.

Don't do it! Then you end up with that mess of organizations TKD have, with bjj-itf, bjj-wtf, bjj,ttl, bjj-cmos and so on..... And I think any style is watered down when they comes to the olympiqe "grinder". They are just after the money they can earn from it and don't give a damm in the sport. No, stay out of it!

That's true. Nothing else in this world is perfect just B-coz of that. Thats is why we live, get children and die. If we had lived forever our rase would be "perfekt", right, and no progression would be made. We had still been stoneage people if we where a "perfect" rase and the wheel is something we never invented, coz we where allready perfect.... . So keep on training more my friend and stop looking for perfect styles, coz there isn't any. Thats my advice..... (Do not mind the grammar, I'm from norway

Yeah, but train all you can train anyway, coz you never know what you are up against in the street. He can pull you down as an accident, so learning how to get back up fast and how to escape IF he grapples you ain't a bad idea. I do not say learn grappling, but look in to the basics of it and learn some "knowhow" of it. Many socalled hotheads CAN fight and even more so, they have expiriense from real fights very often and know how they respond to fear..... Do you know how you respond to fear? They have often learned one, two or maybe tree techniques VERY vell and use those ALL the time and know how people react on those techniques....... And by streetfight I don't mean a after school brawl.....

It took me.... ups, it took me 3 years just to get a yellow belt in wing chun.....

The socalled "street figter" has very often trained on just a couple of techniqes and do them very vell. They "pick" there prey, so use your "beware" sences when your out, allways be prepared for everything! And never EVER underestimate anyone thinking you CAN fight SOOO much better than him or start the fight with, "Don't do it, I'm a black belt in (insert your style)". It will most of the times trigger them to "pick" on you with more power just to "crush" that "karateman" Or even worse, they draw a knife or a gun on you just to make "sure" they beat you. Don't say anything to anoy him, let his remarks on you or your girlfriend just pass you, he don't know you, just back out of it and if he attackes YOU will have the upper hand if he don't know you know how to fight. It is soooo easy to "pick" a fight with someone!. A drink or two under there belt and most guys are suddenly superman with an ego likewice! One insult about his look or his girlfriends look is enough to start a fight and this I know for a fact, coz I have started tons of trouble back in my younger days! People are so stupid when they are under influense of alcohol. They do things there never did if they where sober and ignite for nothing and are easy picks for the fightpickers out there. Do what I allways do when someone insults me or trying to pick a fight with me: Smile and invite the guy for a drink or maybe a beer. It is very hard to hit a smiling, friendly guy who shows calm and friendlyness where others are mad and angry.... Just my five cents..... (Sorry for the spelling, I'm, as you can read, not native american... indian? No, english..... )

All of them are fine for steet fighting I think. I go for Wing Chun coz I don't know enough BJJ or TSD to say otherwice. It comes down to the fighter too, dosn't it?

Here is more.... Look at the bottom of the page, diff styles, diff Wing Chun.. https://www.wck-media.co.uk/cgi-bin/wck.cgi

Ok ok ok.... sorry, no need to be angry just B-coz someone don't agree 100% with you all the time and it is not nessesary they who had wrong... And I most say, videos like that are not fighting, it is adverticing!!! LOL "Make your everyday stance your fighting stance......" And that is just what you, me and everybody else should do! Forget goat stance, its just for training!

I train under Sifu Garry McKenzie. Look at https://www.thewingchunschool.com for more info. I'm norwegian, so I train under the norwegian brand of his school, but it is exacly the same offcause!. https://www.wingchun.no In the first form we train standing in the goat stance for basic wing chun training. In the second form, Cham kiu, we train speed and movement and in the third form, bui ji, we train escape drills (I have not come to the third form yet ) And for fight stance we use wing chun stance ofcause!

That goes for all styles I think, even MMA styles, but some styles, like aikido, takes even longer to make practical.....

LOL. I'm a slow reader and you are a fast typer..... The goat stance makes it a lot easier to turn, to learn that well, but to fight with it? No way! OK, so you are from a diff branch of wing chun, good for you! I been training wing chun for two and a half year now and I've seen at least tree changes within the system(One with bong sao, we dropped quai sao(strike to the side of body) and one with the elbow (Point right down, not to the side after fx hyin sao), but my system is very street orientated, it is still from the Yip Ching branch, but I guess your right. There is a lot of diffrense, to bad wing chun isn't just wing chun, but there messed it up with politics to... But fighting in the goat stance I would like to see.... Would be an rather short match!

NO, you can not learn MA just from a book! But it is not completly useless. You can learn theory and motivation from a book and I had learn some very usefull guidelines from books, but you can't learn a whole style from a book or two... thats not posible, sorry!

But wing chun has it! You do not have to look elsewhere, coz it is there, in wing chun. I have two and a half year training in wing chun, (it is a little more street orientated I think that most traditional wing chun system, but the tree main techniques are tougth there to, just as in your wing chun. Taan sao, bong sao and fook sao, war style!), and I used to say this words too, but now I know that you don't have to look at other styles, Wing Chun has it all, you just have to find it for yourself or ask your sifu for it, but trust me on this: what the other styles has, so has wing chun! But on a simpler, more complete way! If your line of wing chun dosn't have the toe-in verson of the goat stance it is NOT wing chun, just a bad copy of it! How the he77 do you do Sil Nim Tao without that stance and IF you do, where are your rothing? OR don't you do that form either? Sorry pal, but without a propper stance your wing chun is just a very bad copy...... if you can call it a copy at all!!

Me too. I was the one YOU guys fighting TOday in the past, an real a$$hule! if someone yelled "i*m a black belt in this and that" I was there to prove them wrong and man some of those black belts really couldn't fight there way out of an paperbag!!

Hey Treebranch, what's this "grappling this, grappling that" stuff for self defense? You do not need grappling for self defense, forget it! In a competition with grappling involved you need grappling, but to turn this in to self defense thinking this grappling stuff gonna change anything is to stretch it too far. A good striking art would do the job any day, don't be fooled by this grappling talk they always throw in nowadays, you don't need it! Try krav maga, wing chun, boxing.... but stay away from grappling unless you wanna compete!

I know that and you know that Cumry, and a lot of the users here knows that, it's like whiping a dead horse over and over and over to take that discusion one more time..... BUT, and this is the sad part of it, a lot of newbees DON'T know that! Just like the rest of us when we started with MA training, we to got our head full of "superduperstuff" about "our style", coz that have our sifu/sensei/whatever said and no one could tell US the oposite!!. Remember?? The years passing by and we had learn some here and there and have becomed wiser and stop those discusion about "my style IS the best coz ......", thank god, but newbees still comming and it is NOTHING you, me or anyone else can say to them in there first post that gonna take away there believe of "there" style.... sorry, just the way it is, it's as sure as the world turning I think. So Cumry, I think we just have to let this newbees have there disscution about this just like we had it. They will learn too, just look another way.

""""my (limited) experience with wing chun has shown me that its useful in close, but very limited in what it can do for you in a fight.""""" You said it right there pal, my "limited" experience..... LOL @ you. Thats sort of me staing: BJJ, in my limited experience, dosen't do you any good in a street fight, coz its focused on sports and competition.... Some of you seems to believe that if you have just one hour of let say myai thai, whom "proven" effektive in the ring, you can beat everybody just by the name of it, but your wrong. It's up to you too, not just the art. The art is NOTHING without you, but you are also nothing without an art. Wing chun is as complete as any other style out there, both in short and long range. I know of a few who has learned wing chun as an basic for MMA fighting and they brag big about its ability to "feel" the oponent, both in the clinch and in grappling, or standing and on the ground if you like. I also suspect most people to study an art for to short of an amount of time. It is a lot more to MA for the most of us than just the sport aspect, for me it is sort of an lifestyle too and I have seen enough in wing chun to know that it is a very good art, but you have to stick with it for a little time and I guess most people haven't got that time. Thats my five cents.....

Hey Dippedappe. It means the same. "Po-tay-to = Po-tah-to", both means potatoo, kartoffel, potet, jordert,... LOL . Same stuff, different wraping. Shifu = Sifu Sifu = shifu, you see?? In wing chun we say Sifu, in karate they say Sensei, in BJJ they say BOSS..., no just kidding with the last there, i dunno what they say in BJJ. Ahh, they say Guru in silat, that I know. Have fun!

SevenStar wrote:" I question any style with japanese and chinese characters in the name...." And I ask: Why is that? Nothing wrong if you do that, but why do you do that? The question was: "Does anyone know what Chi-I-Do is?" All I know is that Chi is internal strenght (Spelled KI on japanese, CHI or QI on chinese), so I would quess that is a internal style with chinese orgin.

Ohh, no, I forgot, it's a big secret! Ohh dear, I'm in for it now! My sifu gonne skin me alive for this...... No really, Wing Chun is, despite it's chinese orgin, very strait forward and simple. (Don't mind Drunken Monkey here, he is just fooling around with - .....and well, it's not easy. i never realised there were so many.... - But do not listen to him, he really IS drunken you know...) And wing chun is lightning fast! Muscle memory is the key word, so say my sifu. We train reps (I'm a yellow sash) to we react to movement as it was our second natur (We call "reps" Chi Sao, sticky hands) and then we train the main Wing Chun weapon, the chain punch. (This is where your shoulders will be sore for the first times, believe me, if you don't lower them when you do those chain punch reps, begining from one single punch up to ten in reps of ten!!!) Wing Chun IS simple and very easy to learn, (totally free for "fancy and flowerly" techniques), but despite that you still learn some new things every day you train( It iIS after all Chinese ) . Like the old saying, easy to learn, hard to master! (The secret of wing chun is: master your basic and never forget what your basic is then your "gong fu" will be great!) Ohh, no! I'll done it again, telling those secrets! Sorry drunken monkey, but from now on I'll be sober, I promize!!! (Hey Sifu, I'll like to explain....AHHRGGH!) And the best of it all is that Wing Chun is fun, fun and more fun to learn I'm sure you will love it battousai16!

I have 2 years of Wing Chun training now and are half way in the second form, just about to upgrade to yellow sash one of this days. (I know, slow, but we had some problem with my sifu's illness) For å little while a go I sparred with one of the black belts in my club. With wresling glows and groin/teeth protection we lined up and circled and I was thinking; better jump than crawl to it so I attaked him with a left jab and followed it up by a right punch. He was offcorse not there where my fists landed, but stepped quick aside while he controlled my hands and kicked me on the side of my knee with a push kick that made me knel to the ground and before I could even could think of what next he hit me in the back of my head from behind, not hard, just enough to show me that he with eaze could give me my a** on a plate, still holding me on the ground standing on my leg. I have tree years of boxing behind me for a couple of years back, so I thougt I'll give that a try, after all I trained that longer than Wing Chun and moore fun for the black belt to try on a boxer, but I had not even the slightest chanse to hit him, let alone getting close enough to hit him! Dam(n), he was good! He worked with both hands and feets at the same time and sweept me, hit me and just toyed me around until I gave up and he was not even sweat when we stopped. Fun to se that wing chun works so well against a boxer, no matter how I charged him he just waved me off and played with me. Jepp, it was a boost for me to train harder. In Wing Chun, as I understand it, is working by principles, not "IF he does that, you do this" and so on. You have a set of tools, really good tools, handed to you, but it is up to you how you use them. Many times during training I have said; Why haven't I thougt of this before?, coz the technices are soo easy and simple. Like if anyone tries to kick you with a round house kick, in stead of moving away you rush in kicking his knee or his balls while you punching his face. In Wing Chun you fight standing on your foes shoes, never giving him space or letting him move with trapping his arms while you are free to punch and kick. Very effective!. Like DM said, after you had learned the forms and practice them for a while the only place you do them is at home or where ever you might be. They are just tools, not a way too fight or too compete with. I'm building myself a dummy right now for the same purpose, to train at home. It is practical, good looking and will fit very nice in my training room next to my sand filled punching bag and other stuff my girlfrend and I work out with. Ohh, and one last thing Wing Chun gave me that I can't promize anyone else, it gave me my girlfrend, whom also trains Wing Chun! Life IS fun with kung fu, I tell you!! So you see granmasterchen, Wing Chun has a LOT to offer... Train hard, fight eazy!

Try to rent you a bodyguard, he'll do the job for ya and take hits to his dumb head!. If you can't afford it, try kindergarden, there so smal that they can't reach up to your pretty akademic head, just the lowest, not so akademic head..... Enjoy!!

Aren't effective if you don't kick the knee???? Do that go for all styles or just for Wing Chun kicks??. Sure not all kicks are effective, it depence on how "lucky" you are when using them and where you hit, but too say something like that you are not just stupid, but ignorant too!. A shadow kick IS a non telegrafic kick, we have no weight shift before we kick and therefor you can't see the kick before it comes. How good it is, or effective it is, depence on the person who is kicking, not the style.

I have heard that a shadow kick is a non telegraf kick, like the kick we use in Wing Chun: We stand on the back leg and kick with the front leg and B-coz we have allmost all weight on the back leg it is very hard to see when the kick comes, there you have yourself a shadow kick!. And DM is right, movies isn't a great refrence source for MA.... lol.