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Yeh Muay Thai and Thai Boxing at present is the same thing, but sometimes certain clubs use Thai Boxing to simplify the Muay Thai because when westerners see Muay Thai and have never heard of that style before they may think its a kungfu style because of the word 'Muay'. Thats just an idea. On some other cases Thai Boxing could be thought as Boxing from Thailand, but without the kicks, thats why its a bit confusing sometimes. Personally I prefer the more complete word Muay Thai.

such a easy question. well ofcourse its gona be the kickboxer/muaythai guy. kickboxer/muay thai guy has much more advantages than the boxer. though one cannot underestimate because anything could happen. for example the boxer may be very skilled that he would know how to deal with kicks and the kickboxer could just kick to the boxer's shins. the chances are the kickboxer would win. if you ever watched the greatest kickboxer of all time "don 'the dragon' wilson" you would know just how dominate kicks are against a boxer in the ring in one of his videos.

how effective is jeet kune do for street fighting in comparison to other arts? jeet kune do for street fighthing, i think is the most effective than any other martial art. JKD uses the best moves and techniques the martial artists learns and then generated into the martial artists use. also is generated to suit themselves the most in order for it to work in the most effective and efficient way. JKD is effective by use of intercepting techniques and moves. JKD never wastes time on a fight and uses economy of emotion. for example in a fight, when one learns karate they may not to attack first (they may block then counter), but JKD always advises one to attack first or intercept. if you look back to bruce lee instructional pictures of his style of JKD system you will get another idea of how effective JKD is for steet fights. Its like using what works best to overcome the situation. JKD was originally designed for street fighting and self defense and during the development of JKD after Bruce Lee's work it introduced the Kali systems in which Dan Inosanto innovatives. Basically Jeet Kune Do is a style wihtout style and anyone can how their own personal JKD developed. JKD needs to be maintained in the martial arts world so that JKD can develop into a better martial art system around the world. That is why evevy JKD/martial artists respects Dan inosanto's great work. The legacy of JKD needs to live forever!

"My interest is to find out how strong one must be to be able to fight anyone." its depends on the situation whether one fights in sport martial arts, ring fights, street fights, ufc fights e.t.c. each one has their own rules and limitations. someone said earlier the Gracies are not that strong, but i think they are, but strengh insnt the main thing to win fights, its also skill. one can be so strong, but the more skillful one would win.

yeh i've seen that stickmen fight before. its well choregraphed. is there a new one coming out?

yeh it truly is one of the best martial arts movies ever made. its like you watch yuen woo pings later work from 90s ahead and then watch the classic which are the 70-80's you notice the difference the fights scenes are way better and detailed, not all but some. Drunken Master proves to be the true great classic. i mean the sequel even did better and is one of my all time favs.

Yeh i thought Iron Monkey was the greatest and best martial arts action movie using wire-fu. Its also one of my favs. yuen woo pings really proved his main best work there. that fire scene was definitely hard to do, but it was fantastic for the fight scene in the end. donnie yen performed really well. great work!

i think the karate kid was not that good, its probably a just a decent karate movie that outdated

yeh the hook is hard to defend against a strong opponent boxer. you should try dodging the hook, once thats done hold his punching arm and then attack, its like the opponents punching weight as he swings the hook round is avoided and suddenly the force is transfered as you stop his punching arm. Try alternating hands to suit you most aswell so that the science of wing chun would work again. Also you can attack him before he attacks you, like JKD style of Bruce Lee. normally the wing chun punches are not that effective when wearing boxing gloves so its better to not wear them. you stand more chance of winning in bard knuckle fight.

yeh dan the man the legend (dan inosanto) incoporated Kali is the JKD concepts, continuing on from Bruce Lee's ultimate work.

i think capoiera is more of dance martial art rather than a combat martial art. It can be effective, but i think tends to waste time during combat, its like they dance about, doing flashy moves that are great for camera, but less efficient when actually combat fighting. if you put capoeira in UFC then i think it would stand no chance. It might stand some chance when its just ground fighting, but when standing no much. capoiera is better for performing really. i think it was amazing how it was developed and created though.

The best deadly strike is a punch to the throat. It doesnt matter how tough you are, if you get punched there, chances are you wont get back up. i heard that if you one throws a deadly effective punch in the throat it could be fatal. so always makesure of the situation first whether in the street e.t.c.

have aby of you guys ever trained in water?? i have i go down to the lake by my house in a old gi and belt and train in water about shoulder high. I like it beacuse of the natural resistance it is hard but very effective, you really learn balance, punches are harder and faster and same for you kicks also yeh training in water improves you techniques power. i remember doing that sometimes and really noticed the quickness in your moves once your out of the water. i heard ages ago that pro runners/sprinters run in water to imrove there running speed when out of water. some of the shoalin monks train in water to. and everyone know how brilliant the shaolin monks are with chi energy and that.

"Dont quit it if you love it. Just find another Art that doesnt seem like you will kill yourself trying to study it." yeh i agree. if you love it then continue training once your injuries are healed. there are always more career ambitions and ideas for personal development. you never know you could be a movie star in the future earning loads of money or other ideas likes club, training, personal trainer e.t.c.

"I dont agree that kata will make you a good fighter. only sparring can make you a good fighter, you need to practise fighting to become a fighter. if you just do kata your just an artist not a martial artist." I think kata makes you a good martial artist on the "form" based side. martial artist who practise kata definitely has better true potential form than martial artists who train in sparring. the people who just spar tend to know less moves, effective techniques and have not so good form. When you do both then you would be the more complete martial artist. kata practitioners i think are martial artists, and not artist. i think artist tends to be associated with drawing, music pop stars .et..c not just sparring would make a good fighter, but also target training and fighter training, personal martial arts experiences also contribute, so yeh practising fighting makes a better fighter.

kickboxing sounds ok but im not sure if i want to take it though because it would be like taking a step backwards from muay thai because there are no knees, elbows, low kicks or grappling. Also its not so much that i didnt like the grappling aspect of judo, its just that i didnt like how it was more tournament based, and when i tried to use it in real fights it never seemed to work, and i didnt like it because there were no strikes. Your right, i dont like forms and katas and that kind of stuff, but i still like kung fu because it is very effeictive for the street. well i think if you've got the time then you should do both that way you would be cross training. in your situation it can be taking a step backwards, but if you lucky enough to find a club that uses kickboxing with elbows, knees (eight limbs e.t.c.) then you train there. so perhaps you may think you'd be taking a step forwards instead, if you really do real kickboxing(Muay Thai style). kickboxing originally came from Muay Thai and Sport Karate so cross training would be beneficial for your personal ideas & development as a martial artist, especially if you wana start a club you need more ideas. the majority of Kickboxing tends to be fitness training, more semi contact/light sparring, and building muscular external strength thats controlled for sparring whereas Muay Thai focuses more on very effective striking techniques and is mainly Full contact. In a Muay Thai lesson the chances are your gona be striking punch/kick bags and specialises more on how to be a fighter in the ring. Generally Muay Thai is more serious and effective than Kickboxing. this is how i see it for the development effectiveness and flexibility: Kickboxing, Muay Thai, then Sanshou. Kickboxing first because its the most simplest of those, Muay Thai next cos its more serious, includes more striking moves and more effective, then Sanshou because the style involves throws and takedowns in which martial artists like Cung Le is trying to overtake Muay Thai's effectiveness as a striking sport in the ring. You said you didnt like judo cos there were no strikes then sanshou is the recommendation. you said that judo you learnt was more tournament based, then simple if you wana continue then find a club that isnt tournament based judo, but more Judo based on self defense. and yes you are right that kungfu is effective for the street. if you can incorporate kungfu techniques with other self defense styles then it would be more effective, thats an idea. But its your choice. sometimes you can keep on searching until you find your personal favourite martial art style, you never know, cos there is always a new martial art being born or created. goodluck with your martial arts personal development and discovery.

Does one have to be a successfull competitor in MA's to be a good fighter on the street I think one doesn't necessarily have to be a successful competitor in martial arts to be a good fighter on the street because it all depends on the martial artist and style. Some may be a successful competitor and could/could not defeat the opponent on the street or yet some may have no competition record and still defeat the opponent. Usually the martial artists who learns the most useful system for self defense that suits thier personal abilities and with the use of proper techniques then they would overcome the attacker on the street.

"people get used to fighting people from the same style they train in" i think if martial artists fight other martial artist in the style they train in then they will get used to it, but if martial aritsts fight each other with different styles then they would have to adapt to the situation or use their style to their personal best, to see which style is better out of the two martial artists.

I think once you turn black belt and keep on learning and training whether its the same style or another style, then you can start to teach anyone who wants to learn. i plan to never stop learning and training in martial arts, cos once i've finished one style i would move on to another or even maybe cross train if i have loads of time. You said that some martial artists still get beat in real fights is simply because they haven' t been trained properly by their instructor. if martial artist train properly and execute every technique using the correct method then the techniques will work effectively and successfully defeating the opponents in real fights. Some say that one martial art style can be better than another, but i think it really depends on the martial artist. The harder and properly they train and practice the better they become and the more effective the techniques would be.

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its probably because the sanshou fighters do loads of throws to gain more points and its also more entertaining that way for the audiences and fans. i saw some video clips and some of the sanshou fighters couldnt be knocked out and thats why they used there throws to show off their style against the muay thai fighters.

"However in a competion there is. Another thing you have to question is how realistic is point sparing (from a karate view) If it is not much use then why bother training it??" i think point sparring is realistic for the sport martial art rules, but not realistic for real fighting because in point sparring the main idea is to score the point and in a real fight (streets) its to injure your opponent. the point of training in point sparring is whether the martial arts student would like to enter sport martial arts competitions. even though they do not want train and practice for compeitions, the point sparring is satisfying when your scoring the points as it is like a sport game. you think you dont get a chance like this if you dont learn and practice point martial arts, because normally if your just learning self defense then you know its serious and not fun/not happy/not good. also its recreation and something to do for good benefits. its a really satisfying and good way of getting rid of adrenaline and a way for your self expression as you can do whatever move you like under the rules, plus all those fitness/health benefits it offers. afterall the training student would ofcourse gain benefits like improved reflexes, fitness, health, quickness, flexibility e.t.c. also point sparring is great for sparring whenever, even not at the own club, but in your own time at home or elsewhere. you can record your own video clips of you point sparring or just normal sparring for fun/self pleasure or for your own purpose in mind. i think its great!

to the first poster of the topic whats the rank of the gold belt for your club? i.e. is it level 1, 2 or 3 e.t.c. if i had a club i was thinking of devising a gold belt syllabus as well, but i'm still researching. for your first few lessons of sparring i suggest you listen to the instructor/teacher, then once you saw what moves they told you can use and showed you how to do it then from then on you can basically go at it. use basic techniques, the opponents you fight should all know that your a beginner and they would be gentle with you, so dont be scared of making your moves. start throwing out basic moves like jabs, reverse punches, front kicks, round kicks, do one technique aiming at your opponent and then block one of the opponent technique to balance the spar out. always stick to simple moves for your first few spars. do not perform complex moves because when you dont do it properly the chances are you gona cause an injury to yourself. anyway remember to be confident and safe and test the moves you learnt for your first few sparring sessions.

sanshou originated from china, basically the style is mixing chinese wushu/kungfu & throwing techniques so that its like kickboxing in the ring, but with innovative throws and takedowns. i think cung le is truly the best at this style. the style sanshou came about when chinese kungfu practitioners wanted to have sparring system a bit more freestyle, so thats why they added throwing/takedowns in the rules instead of just having hands and kicks techniques as they thought it was getting too boring. i heard ages ago than sanshou defeated muay thai, as they say that muay thai is the worlds best striking/fighting style of martial art. sanshou from china i think wants to take over muay thai, and thats one of the other reasons why sanshou was invented. the chinese were sick and tired of seeing kungfu practitioners loose against muay thai fighters most of the time, and thats why the chinese invented sanshou martial art.

"Imagine you go to an all night work out for $50 and the next day you received a belt promotion. Does this sound fair to you? This makes me very upset and I completely lost faith in my dojo. Basically you are simply buying your new belt. " if i had a club with my own devised syyalbus then, yes i do think that is fair, but the belt promtion would only be for the first belt only, as this would encourage and influence them to carry on with the club training for the next belts. for the next belts more training time like 2-3 months would be needed. i dont think its buying your belt because the student works to achieve it and if they are really ready that quick then i think it is fair, but more time would be required for the next belts. and ofcourse the black belt would be the longest.