SevenStar

no, actually I didn't. I listed compond exercises. However, I shouldn't have used the - , indicating a list following o lifts. I'm sure you don't have more exercises than I could dream of - I've been around the block a few times. and I'm not close minded. you were just wrong. easy as that. As I said earlier, and on the other thread we're going back and forth on, I do bodyweight exercises. My preference, however, is weights.

because he can't. He can dispute the use of isolation exercises, but those aren't even in the scope of what we are talking about, so he has no argument...

the heaviest I've worn is a 50. In a few weeks, I will own a 40 - it's hard to find an 80. regardless, weight vests only get so heavy - I don't think I've ever seen one over 100. Once again, a lower limitation.

I guess you missed it - the first thing I listed was the clean... instead of laughing, find some glasses.

fraid not... once again, you will even out - eventually, you can't put your feet any higher. how much weight can you support on your back without it falling? bodyweight = endurance, plain and simple.

an isolation movement is a movement that involves on muscle - like a curl. I don't think I'm the confused one... I know the bench isn't an O lift. I threw it in because it's a compound lift.

a few old myths referred to in there.... 1. lifting doesn't have to make you bulky - it's all in how you train 2. size will not severely hinder your speed, unless you are HUGE.

it's not about power lifting at all, really. it's pure strength training. plenty of strength no bulk added, as with bodybuilding, or as you see with some power lifters. If you have heard of PTP, then you have some idea of what I mean. bodyweight exercises are fine, but they don't offer progressive resistance - eventually the resistance level ceases, and all you can do is add more reps - making it an endurance exercise. the two aren't directly related. there are people who can do 100 pushups, but can't press 150 lbs. there are people who can bench 300, but can't do 100 pushups - you are training different things there. However, to address your challenge. I can do 500 hindu squats, 20 handstand pushups (against a wall), can do 20 fingertip pushups and once upon a time could do 50 hindu pushups - I stopped doing them. I stopped doing so many of the squats because they started irritating my knee. we do all of these exercieses (minus one arm pushups and fingertip pushups) in my bjj class and many of them in my muay thai classes. In judo, we do neither - we do more judo specific stuff. when the day is over, I still prefer weights. bodyweight exercises aren't the only way, pal...

bingo.

a pushup is not a strength exercise past a certain point. It becomes an endurance exercise.

actually, that's NOT what it was made for - many people don't know that. look at the ingrediants...plenty of salts...they dehydrate you... the purpose of gatorade was to make players thristy (it was developed for florida football players - GATORade), that way they would drink water, because at the time, they weren't drinking it, they were merely practicing and that's it. They would, however, drink gatorade - likely because of the taste - which made them thirsty, and thusly, they drank water.

WW, I wouldn't place penetration under accuracy. it will be your power that causes the penetration, not how accurate you are. Possibly timing, but that of itself isn't accuracy.

if I had to pick one or the other, brute force in a fight. endurance in the ring. people always tend to mistake strength with slowness and lack of endurance. just because I'm strong - I squat over 400 and bench almost 300 - I don't lack muscle endurance at all. you can last more than a few seconds. In addition, a fight shouldn't be long and drawn out - you need to take care of business and get out of there.

you can make that statement about most sport oriented arts, because they spar constantly....

power. speed is fine, but people then to overexaggerate things when it comes to speed. you may be faster than me, but you don't move so fast that I will NEVER hit you. on the other hand, you may not be strong enough to do sufficient damage to me, even though you are faster. They don't have weight classes because little guys are faster - they have them so the big strong guys don't knock them the hell out. accuracy is fine, but as long as I am aiming at a large enough target, I can hit you. that's why you hear me speak against things like pressure point strikes and strikes to the throat. if my hands are up, my chin is tucked and I am moving, it will be VERY hard for you to touch my throat at all. with me moving and striking, it will be very hard for you to hit something as precise as a pressure point. However, If I am aiming at big targets - legs and torso - my chance of hitting you is much greater, and the damamge will still wear on you. aim for the head also, but it's smaller and should always be in motion. watch boxers - they don't always land every head shot (accuracy) due to small target size and head movement, but when they do, it does damage, and in some cases KOs (power)

there may not be an mma gym near him... where do you live? step one is to get some ground training... do NOT try to step into an mma match before getting some. tell me where you live, and I'll let you know if there's a school (that I may know of) near you. If not, you can find a judo club, and attend as many bjj seminars as you can. you're going to want more stand up experience too... isshin alone likely won't do it - find some boxers or kickboxers to cross train with - once again, if there are none near you, start attending seminars. Give yourself at least a year to train - longer if you have to rely on seminars - and do some small local or regional mma or thai boxing type of event. build your experience there. Next, move up to bigger venues, like kage kombat, ffc, iron heart, etc. you can get good visibility there.

I train every day, for 2-3 hours, not including gym time. I train muay thai 2 days per week in class, and two days or more outside of class with coach. I also train judo two days per week and bjj 2-3 days per week.

thai boxers train to music also. the pacing of the fight goes along with the rhythm of the pii and other percussion instruments.

rich is completely and totally wrong... true capoeira has plenty of sweeps and takedowns - many are similar to judo. in addition, they also use knees and commonly seen kicks, like the front kick and roundhouse. I see it all the time, as our club is shared by a capoeria instructor.

you mean chin na?

I agree completely with what you just said. Over the weekend, something happened that goes along with what I've been talking about: there were some fights this weekend. One was a TKD blackbelt who recently watched some kickboxing and thai boxing fights and decided he wanted to fight full contact. He found some guys to train with, and three weeks later stepped into the ring (this past saturday). Not only was he knocked unconscious, his eye is swollen shut - he had no business in the ring, with so little full contact experience.