SevenStar

watch the coleman fight - rizzo does a decent job of keeping coleman at the range he wanted, if I remember correctly. Also, rizzo grapples and strikes. Coleman is only a grappler - that's what I was saying earlier - you need to understand the game of your opponent...crosstrain. rizzo had grappling experience and was aware of the techniques coleman would try and knew how to deal with them. Tank had zero technique - he was just a brawler. He is a perfect example of what you want to train to deal with in the street. He was thrashing these highly trained MA left and right, and he had virtually no training at all - he just liked to fight.

the crucifix is a type of neck crank. Here's a pic: http://www.bjj.org/techniques/craigwallace/crucifix

Okay... this is the only pic I could find of a grapevine, and it took forever to find this one...don't mind the women in bikinis, just look at the techniques they are doing. http://www.grapplinggirls.com/videos.htm scroll down to GG41. That is a grapevine. Another technique we call a grapevine in judo is merely hooking yhour opponent's leg, foiling his throw attempt.

What are you interested in trying? Why do you think you need more than you're currently getting? Just curious.

Good post. But, not every application of the kata is performed the way that it is done in the kata.... so, if you are working a technique that you apply differently than you are practicing it, is it really helping? I do believe that kata helps, but I think it helps in a different manner.

excellent. Making that drive every so often could be of great help to you.

see the train of thought here? points.... you got beat, but won on points. That may be part of the problem you are having, and is the part of the reason why I absolutely HATE point sparring. In the street, the points won't matter. In the ring, points go with the beating. Either way, YOU need to DOING the beating in order to win.

No need for that. it's not the street, nor is it a competition - it's merely a sparring match. it's attitudes like that that stagnate learning. you focus too hard on winning, which in turn hurts you, as you can't focus on using the techniques you may have just learned, as you are too busy trying to "win". I'm an assistant coach, and I get hit all the time by the guys I'm teaching - who cares? we aren't in the ring. Also, it gives them a chance to work their techniques and for me to work mine. When I want to work something, I will spend the entire match looking for an opportunity to use the technique as often as I can, regardless of whether or not I get hit in the process - that's how you learn.

same thing you would normally do - make him fight your fight. you don't need any tricks. Make him fight your fight. you say he disregards his legs, right? use that to your advantage - leg kick him to death. Also, you have to make him respect you. That happens alot. There are some newbies who have an attitude of "I'm strong, and I know I can beat the higher ranking guys" - and they will try to. When he hits you hard, you have to hit him harder, faster and more often. That's how you keep their ego in check - it's amazing how humbling a good butt kicking is. Also, have fun with it. Hard contact fighting is good experience for you, and IMO, is a must for all MAs.

In my experience, I've found that to be incorrect. Actually, the opposite is true. When you have, say, a grappling style and striking style, you will have no problem keeping the techniques separate from eachother and you will catch on to both. When you are dealing with two striking styles, you have strikes being delivered using different principles. For example, look at the footwork of a style like karate compared to thai boxing. Look at the strikes - they both have a roundhouse kick, but they are done completely different. It's easy for the student to get confused this way, as you have two people teaching you two different ways of doing the same (or similar) technique. I went through that when I was training longfist - it was completely different from muay thai. There is a guy in clas now who trains shotokan, and just started our thai boxing class. He is having similar issues.

not necessarily karate - just something that emphazies striking. For example, I train judo, bjj and thai boxing.

huh? We did these in high school wrestling. No, you're not gonna knock anyone out with a crossface. I was just listing holds and techniques they use that can hurt. I definitely put that on the list. As for the 'limited thinking' thing, you fight how you train.... almost. In the instance you mentioned, yeah, I can understand that happening.

okay, let's try a different approach here... you don't wanna look at it as style vs style - It won't help you much. you are both traditional style strikers. you have a sun fist punch, they have a reverse punch. you have a bow and arrow stance, they have a forward stance. There will probably be alot of similarities technique wise, but the principles you use may be different, for example, your footwork may be more circular than his. First, tell me some things about you - how tall are you, how long is your reach, which techniques do you prefer, etc. instead of worrying about what he will do, worry about getting your own techniqes and strategy down, then make him fight YOUR fight.

our classes are kept separate - thai boing is first and bjj follows.

do a search. There are several topics about judo...

tai otoshi, harai goshi, hiza guruma and kata guruma equally.

who mentioned kung fu? he wants to know how similar the atemi in judo is to jujutsu.

here is his post. he's asking who we think epitomizes the qualities he mentioned, and also states that many people claim to have proficiency in the martial arts - and the title of the thread is WHAT MAKES A GREAT FIGHTER? I think you misunderstood, not me...

Good post. These are what I like to see. that's an illusion I don't have. If the grappler gets within range, however, you have a greater chance of being taken down than you do of stopping him. you have to keep him away from you. keep him contained - disallow forward momentum... not a hold, a takedown. while you in the air and going backward, you are in trouble. Once you hit the ground, you can strike - if you can get the space. Speaking from my own preferred positions on the ground, I want to be in either two positions - mount or side mount. In the mount, I want to be deep - my knees should be in your armpits. From there, I don't have to worry about legs, and your arms can't touch anything significant. side mount doesn't leave the opponent with much either, however there are more targets available to you. I've had skin pinched, been poked, scratched, etc. though, and it hasn't really bothered me so far. About the most effective one thatps been tried on me so far though is someone pulling on the skin right around the rib cage. lol, and actually, it was a grappler who showed me that one. I completely agree. As with the example I gave above, the reason he pinched the skin was to get me to move enough that he could shift his weight and escape the pin. agree with that as well.

Ummm excuse me but I am not giving advice from a BJJ practioner's, a wrestler's or any other art other than Karate's point of view. All along I have said IT IS MY OPINION! How much clearer do you want me to put it? Look under my name <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< It says Shotokan Karate.... that's the angle I was approaching it from! Once again, that's my whole point. Let's say I had never trained karate before. I come on a forum and give my opinion that you can easily beat a karate student simply by side kicking them constantly because they aren't used to side kicks. That's my opinion, but how much water would it hold? when someone on this forum tried it and lost repeatedly, they would think "ah, he didn't know what he was talking about" because my opinion was based on my *lack of* knowledge about karate.

I completely agree. notice I use the term change and not evolution. evolution does still apply in many cases though, with respect to things such as sparring. Several styles lacked sparring then, just as there are those lack it today.

that's cool. I've heard judo was pretty big over there - I was gonna bring that up. sport judo is as good as any - you will definitely learn how to throw effectively. judo and thai boxing is mainly what I do, so I'd probably like it over there

crap, I can't connect through the firewall here at work. From what topic is saying, it sounds like the way I was taught as well. It's easy to miss little details when you practice on your own though. We have a guy at our club who trains bjj, but not thai boxing. He tries to teach himself based on what he sees us do, and he's always missing something. It's hard to geet the details of something when you don't have someone constantly looking and correcting you. Like I said, I'd stick with what you are training, then, after having someone actually show you the kick, then try to start working it. Go back to them every so oftenn so you can make sure you are doing it right. how far are these guys from you? http://www.senshido.com/main-t2a.html it looks like there's alot of thai boxing in ontario. How far is that from you?

but, that would still require a change, would it not? It's no secret that funakoshi was adept at throwing and locking. But, that's really not taught much now in shotokan. Adding it back would be an "evolution" for much of shotokan.

exactly. tournaments are thrown by various schools and organizations. If NONE of them want you guys around, it seems like must be a reason...