Treebranch

even though its sport BJJ?Yes! Even the basics can get you an advantage over someone on the ground. Or should I say especially the basics.

If it takes place in a ring and people paid money to watch, and promoters and cable networks are involved, then it's not real.

You know that's been tried out before, right? What was the name of that...? O.K?

If you go to the ground and it's a one on one fight, it is extremely useful.

um, no it didint..those positions all exsisted in Judo prior to the creation of BJJ...the Gracies didint just make them up. check out the book "Kodokan Judo" by the founder of Judo. They didn't, because the closed guard should only be transitional in a real situation where a knife might come into play. Those wresting positions weren't too effective in battle, but they work great for a one on one no weapon fight. Judo and BJJ are sport arts and they do things that work for their given context. Most JJJ were taught to people who were going to fight in armor and so you had to move differently.

Budo Taijutsu teaches whatever works. So there is gun, knife, stick, pepper spray, whatever. So yeah, I agree. Kendo was never used in battle by the way, Kenjutsu was.

MA's that have been used in historical events such as battles and such would be "Deadly" I guess. I guess MA's that teach you weaponry and such.

Do you mean leg locks or foot and ankle locks? Or do you mean if you are on your back, kicking the legs of the standing person? What do you mean?

Depending on the school the training methods are not that different. One does randori the other does sparring. They are both good for different areas of fighting. JJJ teaches weapons and is more complete as a system and BJJ specializes in ground-fighting. BJJ definitely has a more anaerobic aspect to it that will help your physical conditioning more than JJJ. I have nothing bad to say about either of these styles. They each have their specific context in which they flourish. I hope that helps.

Look I love BJJ, and I'm new at it. I see lots of holes in the art that I can see being a big problem on the street. For instance, there is no padding on the street so alot of the techniques would have to be modified. We train on soft mats and out knees hit the ground alot, this would be a big problem on the street. The other is the throws and ways of getting someone to the ground in BJJ could cause you to injure yourself if the surface is hard. The other thing is they don't teach striking at all and they don't teach how strikes can lead to lock and holds because you can't practice that in class. Like I said, I love BJJ and I'll study it as long as I can. The thing is that BJJ is groundfighting and not a complete system. So if someone on the street really knows how to fight and all you know is BJJ, well good luck. There is so much mean stuff you could do while in someone's guard.

Good point I do the same.

Well then I was lucky to train at that school. Maybe they are afraid of lawsuits? Who knows? Have you looked or studied San Soo's techniques and tactics? Mix that into what you are doing with your training methods and you will surprise the crap out of everyone.

Interesting. O.K.

I would say the depending on many factors such as weight, conditioning, environment, what the context of the atlercation is. The outcome cannot be as easily predicted as you think. 5 times a week for 10 years? Or when my teacher Master Dave Carter was in his younger years, a Vietnam Veteran, Champ Boxer in the Marines and an 8th degree BB in San Soo I think with his extensive street experience would have faired very well when there were less rules in UFC, yes. If you haven't taken a close look at San Soo and studied it for what it is designed for you won't understand or respect it. That goes for most MA's. They train pretty hard and do lots of Randori. It again really depends on how you train.

O.K. Warlock?

none of the san soo guys I've talked to do any sort of real sparring or contact training. No groundwork either. That being the case, a san soo guy would get murdered in an MMA venue. He would have to alter his training some to have a real chance. Not the guys I know. Besides you are right about altering their "Game".

I think MMA fighters are tough and good at what they do, but it's not preparing them for real situations, it prepares them for their sport and how to win. San Soo is about real life situations and using finishing moves right away. It's not the same philosophy or sportsmanship that you see in the ring. A pro fighter is a pro fighter and they live to fight and train. Most of them win their fights in a controlled environment and strength and conditioning is what mostly becomes the deciding factor. If you have to rely of being the fastest and the strongest to defeat someone then their is something inherently flawed with that system of fighting. MMA's are great athletes and a few are very highly skilled but most of them without the use of steriods and the motivation of money are nothing more than brawlers.

This my answer to the original question on this post. No. I think coming from a San Soo background I always felt UFC wasn't gathering enough great martial artists for whatever reason with the exception of a few that have shaped UFC to what it is today. I always felt and wished a San Soo expert would have entered the ring back in the early days. It would have been great!

Are you sure he's not an Evangelist?

That's right, they did.

Who said we don't do randori? But yes I agree with you.

His real life experience was what trained him for UFC more than any of his former training. He doesn't consider himself a MA, he considers himself a street fighter.

One is a ground fighting system the other is more rounded.

The Koryu arts are basically the Samurai Arts. There are many schools of fighting. Look at this link for some information http://www.koryubooks.com/guide/ryuguide.html it is actually very similar to Budo Taijutsu, except BT tends to teach classical techniques against classical attacks and then show how to use the same techniques against modern fighters. Koryu arts tend to be more regemented and traditional.

Yeah, Tank Abbott was just a street thug that smashed many so called and experienced MA's at their own game. I'm sure on the street he would have beat them easier.