mushybees

Do you think men and women are separated in almost all competitive arenas, be it combative or otherwise, because of weak minds and inferiority complexes? You've made no counter argument to the scientifically accepted physiological differences between men and women. Men are on the whole are more powerful and athletic than women which in a combative, rules based sport gives them an almost unassailable advantage. It's neither fair or unfair, it's the product of evolution. Evidence of the same can be seen in the animal kingdom and also exceptions. Our species just so happens to have evolved to make men, generally, larger, faster and stronger. I'm saying "men and women are different" and you seem to be reading "women are not as good as men" and also seem to be jumping to the conclusion that I promote a falsehood when I do nothing of the sort. I'm just observing what's in front of me. I re-entered the discussion because there a lot of video links being posted with no one discussing their merits. Some of them were quite frankly farcical. The Chloe Bruce video displayed a lot of gymnastic ability but next to nothing of what is required to win a fight. She came to prominence doing a fight sequence on Britain's Got Talent and I can't find footgae a fight of hers which isn't choreographed.

Back against my better judgement. She was a beter fighter but then she was a champion fighter. Were the men at the same level? Clearly not and that's the crux of the discussion. When all things that can be controlled are equal, men will still have an evolutionary advantage which is almost impossible to overcome in a consensual fight. No amount of white knighting will change that. What brings me back to the discussion is your allusions, intended or not, that those that don't agree the sexes are physically equal in a fight are borderline chauvinist. The demons comment was especially disappointing to read. It is a known aspect of our development as children and adolescents that boys continue to develop for years after girls have reached their peak strength. They can develop this further as can males but it's generally a deficit they can't overcome. There are outliers like Lucia Rijkers but even she got knocked out easily by a no body male fighter. It doesn't diminish what she's done but its a little patronising to pat her on the head for punching hard and pretending like she'd won the fight just for taking part. I bit my tongue when I watched that fight science video but the part when the back of the dummys head blew out destroyed all credibility. It had 5 screws in it. No correction, it had holes for 5 screws. Where were they?. Also the mechanics of her punch were not the same as the males at all. It was a different type of punch. I wouldn't want to eat one of her punches and I'm sure she's a formidable fighter. Her lose in that muay thai fight shows her at her best imo, not that fight science video. I see people on this thread saying 2+2=5 and I guess I can't comprehend the mindset. It isn't insulting to acknowledge the facts and giving women a false sense of reality doesnt help them. Not in full contact sports and not in self defence. In fact I'd go so far as say it's irresponsible.

Did you watch the video? She turned up at the gym for sparring pretending to be a beginner when she was in fact a MT champ. The guys spar lightly with her then she switches it on and shows what she can do. It isn't even remotely relevant to the discussion we had here.

Agreed, agreed, agreed! I am not saying that a female is not able to take down a male. But we are talking two different scenarios Sensei8. Your talking on the streets where there are no rules and the techniques that we teach can be employed to even the playing field or turn the tides to the females favor. Heck go back and read one of my other posts defending females against male. I can't remember the exact post but it was in terms of female vs male or small vs large or something along those lines. But that again was under a different context. We were not talking UFC. I am simply pointing out that in the terms of this post (UFC elite against elite) the male will come out on top every time because of the rules involved. We all know ways (or at least I assume we do) to take an aggressor out fast by means of submission, knockout, injury or even death. The difference is once you enter that cage you are stripped of the techniques that level the playing field of small taking on large and female taking on male. It's just fact. The male is genetically built over centuries to fight. It's in our genetic make up and a male of say 205 lbs is going to hit much much harder than a female of the same weight class. This actually skews the weight classes. I am taking into mind that both are equal in technical proficiency, skill, and knowledge. I watched a show years ago, I think it was fight science of something of those terms, anyway the were showing the power generation of a punch. The men punched two times harder (power) than the females and in some instances even harder. Its not an argument, it's centuries of genetics. Our bodies are built differently, it's science. Now having said that I agree with you 100% that a well trained female against a male, and allowing for all techniques, would more than have a chance against the male. Heck, take the number one equalizer weapon that any layman would teach a female, the groin kick. You can't do that in the UFC much less any other technique that we teach to equalize the fight. It's not an argument of whether females stack up in everyday life it's a question of rules in the UFC and what you can and can not do. If you take away our techniques larger or more powerful fighter will prevail. This is why the techniques were invented in the first place. Call it dirty fighting or what you will be this is the equalizer when a smaller man faces a large man or when a female faces a male. Obviously technique and intent will be the deciding factor unless there is a lucky shot but if you remove the equalizing techniques for the sake of sport and safety then size and power comes right back into play. It's just my personal opinion. Everyone is free to have there own. I am definitely not taking anything away from female fighters. Most could probably destroy me. God knows I do not train for 8 hours a day, have all of the science and multitude of trainers/ instructors to train me to be the best. I'd have to quite my job and find the fountain of youth to reduce about 30 years to even have a fighting chance in the cage against most of the fighters whether male or female. So I am not arguing the fact that women can stand toe to toe with men if trained. I am arguing that we are built differently and like it or not the male is genetically built for combative sports. In this case the elite male would over take the elite female on the same playing field and under the same rules (UFC). Call me a sexist or a bad instructor or whatever you will but I feel that these are the facts IMHO. Here is the latest fight science information.Punch like a girl ; has been known as a derogatory statement for a very long time; science proves otherwise as this video explains. For the statement highlighted in red https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8Qfhs_4z8c Ok, I have not seen this evidence presented before. In this case I would say my statements are dead wrong. Wow, that was impressive to say the least. Ok, I guess I have nothing left to add. Ignore my earlier posts. I guess I have to learn to like the taste of crow because I just ate some. Well supported argument Alan. I admit I was wrong in my assumption. This is the same woman, in her prime as an undefeated fighter in a fight with a 13-3 male journey man. She is a genetically gifted fighter but throwing a punch under ideal circumstances isn't fighting.

When I perform kata I just tune out. I'm not aware of bystanders, I'm in the kata and until its done that's where I'm staying. Same with kumite. The opponent is in front and there's nothing else. When you are nervous what are you thinking of? How you look? What people are thinking? You need to find a way to transport yourself away in your mind. I find I "get in to character" just before training and putting the gi on is part of that.

Agreed. A crescent kick to the inside thigh or inside knee is no joke.

When they only do 6hrs of training it's a bit of a gimmick but it's nice that the airline is putting on an introduction like that for it's crew. If it sparks some interest and a few go on to train seriously it's great.

I carry no demons. In every other way apart from physical makeup women are the equal of men and surpass them in others. In some species the female is larger and stronger than the male. Denying biology isn't being a feminist. It's clear we don't agree on this subject so with the utmost respect I'll bow out.

This is a muay thai fight featuring the woman from that fight science clip in her prime. She was undefeated and he had a 13-3 record.

I would love to believe that resolve and determination is the ultimate leveller in any physical confrontation. I have two young daughters learning martial arts and a son who is small for his age and by all projections will be a smallish adult. They train in karate with a focus on self protection, not besting the opponent in a toe to toe fight. Fight to escape. Nothing is illegal in the right (unfortunate) circumstances. I teach my girls chokes and strangles from the guard for self preservation purposes. Eye gouges, small joint breaks etc are all allowed. It sounds corny but imo martial arts is about being the best version of ourselves we can be. The fight is with yourself. Someone with disabilities can gain a great deal from martial arts even if they're not a match, physically, for their peers. What other people are capable of doing isn't the yardstick by which I measure the value of ma. Kumite, even competitive, is a part of training. It isn't a fight, it's a test of yourself and an opportunity to expose your weaknesses. Mma is about being better than the other person. I like competitive ma but I do somewhat believe it to be a subversion of martial arts. It's about standing, ego and money. I don't see the dichotomy in telling my girls that, through training, they can help ensure their safety against anyone whilst still acknowledging that top flight male fighters are more capable than top flight female fighters. Physically males have a higher ceiling than women. We're conflating athletes at the peak of what our bodies are capable of with the average martial artist. We seem to be conflating mma with martial arts in general when they are very different.

Forgive my cynicism but this looks fake. There is absolutely no power in any of the strikes. The female fighter has decent ground game but he's appalling. He can neither strike or grapple. Not to take anything away from the female fighter. She looked sharp but the whole thing looked more like a demonstration than a fight. Is it just me?

IMO I can only speak of karate as I see from my limited perspective. I think the biggest problem is that shu ha ri seems to have gone out of the window. Style purity is seen as a virtue instead of an impediment to martial arts growth. Martial arts should in time be tailored to each individual, it should change and evolve over time. It shouldn't be a static thing whereby you are moving in a way which is inefficient for the way you are built and the way you move because someone who has never met you decreed that X way was the best way. The best thing about martial arts is the bond you build with other people. Something that non-martial artists can never understand. I have met, hurt and been hurt by some great people from all walks of life who I may never have had the pleasure of meeting.

I've never met a woman who wouldn't love to smack a man about. Might just be me though

There are plenty of relatively strong women in the ufc. No weedy men though. Men who gravitate towards competitive fighting are strong and athletic. They train hard to be the best. This means they want to be as strong and as agile as they can be. Watching two evenly matched fighters compete is exciting, male or female. Who wants to watch a woman who strives to be the best matched up with a feeble guy who isn't physically capable of competing with other men? It would be an insult to the female fighter.

Men's greater muscle mass can lead to increased strength, speed and endurance. Men and women's soccer are night and day and so is mma. Before technique and skill are considered female fighters are already greatly disadvantaged. Men who compete in the ufc aren't chumps who don't train because they're inherently stronger than the women competitors. They work on their game just as much as the women do.

I don't think it would be very interesting to watch. Occasionally a more even matchup will present itself but by and large the men will be stronger pound for pound. There's no fun in watching that and entertainment and money is the ufc's raison d'être.

I'm a plumber so a shower immediately after work is a must. I don't do particularly dirty work but it happens anyway. For similar reasons my nails are always trimmed short and do get scraped and cleaned with a nail brush every day. If we're sparring or doing a lot of kihon my gi will get a wash. If we're only doing lower intensity partner work I can wear it twice. Doesn't happen often though. There are a couple in class who dont abide by the hygiene rules. One is a guy in his 20s who is developmentally challenged. He has very long finger and toe nails and sometimes his gi isn't clean. It's not pleasant but the adult males tend to alternate partnering him. It has been brought to the instructors attention but there hasnt been much improvement. Every one else pretty much police each other. Told a guy to cut his talons once when he scratched my foot with his long toenails. Said in good humour of course but he got the message.

Martial art without violence imo should be the goal and as said previously I never train or spar without full control of my emotions. Self defence with out violence is a different matter entirely imo. You can train sd without violent intent but in real life application, violence is your friend. Decent people are conditioned to find violence abhorrent but there is such a thing as righteous violence when it's applied in the defence of ones self and loved ones. You need to be able to switch it on when required which is sometimes the difference between ma being effective or not. It's the fight in the dog.

How to relax in a stressful environment.

Just to elaborate more on Wado Ryu. Hironori Ohtsuka received his menkyo kaiden in Shindo Yoshin Ryu in 1921 and began training with Funakoshi in 1922 and earned his shodan in 1924. I believe he was running his own school by 1927 and introducing jujutsu principles which eventually led to a split between the two by 1935. Ohtsuka also trained for a time with both Kenwa Mabuni and Choki Motobu where he explored kumite and its merits. IMO the short spell training with Funokoshi is given undue prominence when discussing the origins of Wado ryu. Nakamura Yoshin Ryu jujutsu was already a heavily atemi focused koryu. Ohtsuka saw a lot of value in the okinawan te but he didn't abandon the jujutsu principles of his art. He augmented them. The only exposure most get to wado is competition kumite and kata where almost every style becomes homogenised and at the lower kyu grades Wado can look like generic shuri-te karate. Outside of shiai kumite Shotokan and Wado are fundamentally very different.

In wado ryu a red belt is 9th kyu I've spoken with a few japanese instructors and a couple have said they find it amusing the way westerners romanticise and over ritualise some of the more trivial aspects of martial arts. The whole belt system was mentioned but they were far too polite to elaborate on others. I can only assume I'm guilty of them too whatever else they are

I suppose because the stance didn't originate in sumo. I don't think sumo wrestlers would be happy if we renamed it karate stance

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I annoy my wife doing this. The fight scenes in both john wick film are quite well choreographed so I enjoyed them. If I see something totally unrealistic or a see simply wouldnt work it can take me out of the experience. Probably the same way police officers and the like would find a crime procedural show unwatchable.

That's all I'll say about that. Higher grades should engender respect. Not demand it. I once trained as a 5th kyu with a dan grade gentleman (who I wont name) at a seminar over 2 days. He was polite, humorous and made me feel really at ease. Other than a black belt we don't have dan bars or badges or anything else to denote our grade. While it was obvious that he was a very good martial artist I didn't have much frame of reference at the time to recognise his ability and have a feel for his grade. It wasn't until later I discovered he was the CI in our style of an entire eastern european country! He was attending the seminar because he was shortly due to start teaching them but when he saw we were an odd number for partners he chose to join in. I saw true humility up close and it was inspiring. I welcome correction from anyone but reserve the right to keep on trucking as I am if I prefer.