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risingdragon... sounds to me like an excuse to do whatever you want and say you can fight. Even though you dont want to put in the effort to learn proper techniques and actually train hard... Also you said that you can tell if your doing a technique wrong... Do u think when people are corrected by their instructors that they know they are making the mistake???

Boxing doesnt always teach the best punches for use without gloves on. At least you can die trying Elbowing is so impractical.. we use knife hand strikes to the neck

So what happens if you are taken to the ground by this guy?? dont you think fighting back in some of the ways i surgested would help you get to your feet and then face his "friends".

Also.. It wasnt my intention to put forward the message that people should go to the ground on purpose... this is just a list of training i do to prepare if the situation ever occured. Wouldn't it be easier to get back up if you were ontop?? e.g. mount. I should have been a little clearer.. i just summerised by saying "you strike your opponent with punches/forearms/elbows etc until you can escape or they are knocked out/dazzed." What if they get back up after you do?? if you dont do any serious damage to them while they are on the ground then you may not get another chance to be in a domient position. Thanks again for your post.. and no offense was taken. you make some very good points.. I hope you dont take offense to my post either. I also had a look at your site Steve, Nice work.. look like you have more than a little bit of experiance

Firstly, Thanks everyone for your constructive replies. I just want to add some things... i generally wouldnt fight on the ground unless i had to... example... if i was taken down by my opponent or if i was getting pounded while standing and thought i would have advantage on the ground. Also if i did go to the ground i would do what i had to and look to get up as soon has possible.

I decided to write this article to explain the basics(very basic) of the groundfighting training i do. This can be added to your training ...(im talking about groundfighting for real situations, not competition) Takedowns: You can't groundfight unless you are on THE GROUND!! The easiest way to get your opponent there is with the use of a takedown. Most takedowns are simple and involve sweeping/lifting your opponents legs or throwing them. They are generally performed from the clinch(you have hold of your opponent). Positions: Position is very important in groundfighting, it dictates what you can and cant do to your opponent. Mount: This is the position you will most likely want to be in. You are "sitting" on your opponent and generally have an advantage. Guard: This is a position that is not usually favoured but can be used to your advantage if you know what you are doing. You are on your back and your opponent is "sitting" in between your legs. This is considered better than them having mount on you. Side Mount: Your are ontop of your opponent but are laying at right angles to them. This is a good position to rest for a second before you finish off your opponent. Also a good position for performing knees to the head. What To Do With Position: Now you know the basic positions (there are others, and variations of each) i will explain some of the things you can do from each one. "Ground n Pound": This is a common thing to do when you have your opponent on the ground. it is usually used in the mount, but can be utilized from the guard also. Basically you strike your opponent with punches/forearms/elbows etc until you can escape or they are knocked out/dazzed. To do this well just imagine you are fighting stand-up but are at the same range all the time with your opponent, you can use most of the same strikes, blocks, guard etc. Also pinning your opponents arm(s) to there body in various ways will also aid in you landing strikes. Submission: I would tend to use this less in a real situation because i personally find striking more practical on the ground. But if the situation presented itself a submission like a choke/armbar/leglock could be used. Just remember that your opponent isnt going to "tap-out" and you dont have time to sit around on the ground for an hour holding there arm in a lock. So if you are going to do it, make sure you cause them damage to the joint/limb. Practice: You can practice the positions/ground n pound on a heavy bag layed on the ground. Also grappling dummies are available (or you could make one with a jumper and some track pants stuffed and taped together). The best way by far to practice is to find a good grappling school and spar.

How do you come to that conclusion?

Very true Sasori_Te and G95champ. The problem is that alot of schools dont teach it for some reason.

http://www.parkrose.k12.or.us/schools/hs/academics/student_pages/darren_macomb/5.htm <<< has both stand-up and ground.

What grade are you going for?

I made a post at >>> http://www.karateforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=11389 <<< That should explain some basic ground fighting for you.

I decided to write this article to explain the basics(very basic) of the groundfighting training i do. This can be added to your training ...(im talking about groundfighting for real situations, not competition) Takedowns: You can't groundfight unless you are on THE GROUND!! The easiest way to get your opponent there is with the use of a takedown. Most takedowns are simple and involve sweeping/lifting your opponents legs or throwing them. They are generally performed from the clinch(you have hold of your opponent). Positions: Position is very important in groundfighting, it dictates what you can and cant do to your opponent. Mount: This is the position you will most likely want to be in. You are "sitting" on your opponent and generally have an advantage. Guard: This is a position that is not usually favoured but can be used to your advantage if you know what you are doing. You are on your back and your opponent is "sitting" in between your legs. This is considered better than them having mount on you. Side Mount: Your are ontop of your opponent but are laying at right angles to them. This is a good position to rest for a second before you finish off your opponent. Also a good position for performing knees to the head. What To Do With Position: Now you know the basic positions (there are others, and variations of each) i will explain some of the things you can do from each one. "Ground n Pound": This is a common thing to do when you have your opponent on the ground. it is usually used in the mount, but can be utilized from the guard also. Basically you strike your opponent with punches/forearms/elbows etc until you can escape or they are knocked out/dazzed. To do this well just imagine you are fighting stand-up but are at the same range all the time with your opponent, you can use most of the same strikes, blocks, guard etc. Also pinning your opponents arm(s) to there body in various ways will also aid in you landing strikes. Submission: I would tend to use this less in a real situation because i personally find striking more practical on the ground. But if the situation presented itself a submission like a choke/armbar/leglock could be used. Just remember that your opponent isnt going to "tap-out" and you dont have time to sit around on the ground for an hour holding there arm in a lock. So if you are going to do it, make sure you cause them damage to the joint/limb. Practice: You can practice the positions/ground n pound on a heavy bag layed on the ground. Also grappling dummies are available (or you could make one with a jumper and some track pants stuffed and taped together). The best way by far to practice is to find a good grappling school and spar.

Just go all out on the bag for as long has you can while maintaining correct form. This will give you a good workout.

Why can't you just block it? move in around/under it? To get the footwork right for moving back, you just move your back leg first then follow with your front leg... Practice this by yourself so you get used to the correct movement. Don't get into thinking that you NEED to move back to avoid strikes, its often better to stand your ground and/or move in and crowd your opponent.

has the kyu gets lower the time gets longer.

Practice, Practice, Practice... and keep your guard up!!!!!

Whatever gets them on the ground fastest.. I tend to keep my leg slightly bent.

It is a shame.

Alot of bad things started happening in his life. His coach(like a father to tyson) died. His wife and mother-in-law tried to control his finances. He started thinking that he was so good that he didnt need to train. (which ment he had to much free time on his hands). Everything just went down hill from there. Such a shame because he was an exceptional boxer.

I would be very careful if you decided to join this school... sounds like a scam to me.

Karate does have groundfighting, but often it isnt taught, which i think is a shame. If you cant study groundfighting full-time at least try and learn some of the basic positions, takedowns and how to "ground n' pound"...

I have broken my collar bone in a sporting accident and it wasnt a very severe break so i only felt minimal pain just after i did it, so i think if the person really needed to they could keep punching. But the real pain starts the day after, and at night when your trying to sleep.

Thanks guys. I thought it was about time i contributed to this part of the forum.

I am of the opinion that learned 2 very different arts e.g bjj and boxing at the same time would be better than learning say jj and judo. The reason is: they are completly different. If you were to learn jj and judo at the same time you would probably learn the same technique from each but with a slight variation which would cause confusion for the student. But with bjj and boxing they are very different so its easy to distinguish which technique comes from which art therefore saving confusion and error in techniques.

I was reading those rules yesterday actually, and although they say UFC is the closest thing to actually combat, its still so far away from it.