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Some one writes allways that "prove is on the floor". Wouldn't this apply to Judo also? We have one 6th dan Judoka here and it's very nice to see him teach. I am very sure that I would learn more from him in one class than from videos in one month. ...BUT... I have a political issue with Finnish Judo Federation and they don't let me practice in an official club. I complained about insurence. I have one allready that covers all martial arts including Judo, but they wanted me to take the one they are selling. I refuced first and they said that I cannot practise. After thinking a while I aggreed to pay it, but after the fuss they said that they don't let me practise. I should have not questioned their extra means of funding. Hence I am doing BJJ, but Judo is interesting. I think it's a plessing that Judo did not let me practice Judo. BJJ is far more suitable for over 50 y as a starting grappling art. You get to meaningful sparring much faster than in Judo.

My learning judo by my self has been "slow" - just doing ukemis few times per week. I've been learning bjj, doing weight training and some running. Can't do more. My physical condition is not good enough for more exercises per week - old man needs more time to recover:-) BUT I'll go back to judo when I will have more time - maybe after New Year. I don't compete so bad habits don't matter as long as ukemis are good. (Maybe I should write that I'll learn myself some moves for BJJ standing game:-) ... I'll copy them from Judo.)

Have to come back to this subject. I practise to get and stay in shape - and becouse sparring is fun. I've been doing bjj instead of judo. I think bjj might be even better for "grown up adults" with no brevious martial arts experience. I also stumbled on "grazy monkey" boxing that looks very suitable for newbies who want to spar. It starts very much with blocking and covering your head and your partner japping your cloves. I'm thinking of continueing with my plan to develop a training method for "not so young" players. This does not mean that you cannot go to regular classes, too. (I just need to figure out why do I want to teach others. There is no money in it - I get far more salery in my regular job. Maybe I just need to show off - and be considered as a touch guy? I declined from teaching classes at our local Karate club so it's not all about being in front of a class - a big sensei:-) Mixed martial arts for men over 40? Goal is to get in shape and learn boxing, bjj and karate techniques - and learn by sparring or training with a partner. Maybe 10 to 16 partisipants to start a class and two times per week, 90 minute classes (30 minute boxing, 30 minute karate, 30 minute BJJ) Each 30 minute session could be: 10 minutes of coordination training to warm up or ingrease flexibility. 10 minutes techniques like two techniques and two counters. 10 minutes some kind of sparring to imply learnd techniques. It's a short time so techniques have to progress slow - easy small steps:-)

My point is that the two begin to reciprocate. Best is to do both:-) Lot of testing with experience and lot of thinking to see the principles.

I started from breaking balance and now it's more about controlling some part of partners body - and making them unconfortable - maybe by breaking their balance or restricting their movements. I would love to use my partners motion to continue their movement - like judo principle. I am not educated enough, but it will come:-)

Ofcourse you can get knowledge from experience - that's called learning by doing:-)

The question about knowledge and experience is why I do BJJ instead of Ji-jutsu. BJJ is free sparring and you learn what moves really work -> get experience. Ji-Jutsu (as I know it) is often self defence and movements are choreographed. You get the knowledge and experience of execution ( but not the real reaction or counter attacks.) Rank is something that is socially formed - formal or informal. It can have something to do with knowledge and experience or with many other things. It's always nice to get acknowledgments like ranks:-)

I don't care what you practise, but do practise. It keeps your physical condition. If you think that karate is too embarrancing - take up a new style - or byte the bullet. You'll strengthen your foot. Make goals that you can follow and something that you like - but practise als the difficult things. Try to have fun:-)

I go to dojo with a very clear idea of listening to partners moves and "taking what they give me" - and when rolling, I am just trying to stay alife. I've learnd to recognize some positions while I am rolling but thinking ahead is not working. Seriously - if I had more time, I just might get something done, but not yet. (We have a nice group so I get 50% of submission and I have to tap about the same amount - maybe 25% of 2 - 4 minute spars don't end up in submissions - just rolling.) So I'm not complaining that I suck - just that I cannot think ahead. ( Or think.)

I am not a kata specialist - and one may think of kata in many ways. BUT if you think of kata as a way of developing your technique and also compination skills - and maybe even drilling different attacks and counters... Why not study your heian kata and film your techniques as you are doing them with a partner - an attack or a counter in heian - and compare your moves in kata vs bunkai? This might give you more spirit or a better mental image on what you are doing in your kata. (And first make your technique wronq as you are more powerful, but ...)

I did Han Moo Do ( not Hanmudo). "Han Moo Do (also Hanmoodo) is a Korean-style martial art founded in Finland by Young Suk. It is mainly practiced in the Nordic countries. Hanmoodo contains almost all sectors of traditional martial arts and its exponents may participate in full-contact competition." Compared to Hapkido - Han Moo Do has less grappling, but is full contact sport.

Cross training is very good. I did karate for 30 years and I did not see anything wrong with it. I thought it was most powerful art and every thing was done perfectly. I know it sounds grazy, but that was how I grew up. Lately I've started Han Moo do - a Korea style and full contact - it was total brain blower - I learned that kicks can be done differently and that fight continues after first contact I've been doing boxing and also BJJ - there is just tons of things to learn:-) I don't compete any more and I don't do martial arts for self defence. I just have not needed and I feel safe, but I do martial arts for fun and physical condition. It's just fun to learn new skills - and sweat a lot learning Cross training is a must - and you just need to play with the rules of each dojo. You can "swing" but they don't have to. Teacher is the king! Clients pick their teachers.

Hi Blade96, are you filming your self and watching what your kata looks like? Or watching a instructional tape from a kata spesialist? What about the bunkai of kata? Is it on video? (I've never taped my kata. I've seen my competition matches on super8 film in early 80's and it was terrible

Thanks tallgeese and all for replies, In our BJJ class seems to be a "system" on rolling. First they teach a position and how to hold it or how to get in to it. Then they teach how to escape. Then they might teach a submission from it. Then you have controlled sparring - you start from - let's say side mount that just was taught --- and you do just the moves - try to escape or try to hold it. Final roll is that you can use all the techniques taught in the class BUT nothing else. It's one way of building up techniques and learning to use them little by little in different situations.

Maybe strategy is a wrong word. Maybe game plan? Or a learning plan would be a better word. I think you need to have a goal. One strategy - a very common one - is to fight for positions - to get to full mount or back mount. Like if you are in side mount, try to get in full mount. Or if you are trapped in full guard, try to pass to side mount and from there to full mount. (Not so much about submission, but first learn to get positions.) Other idea or strategy might be to control your opponents head or hips or arms like one article. I don't know what is good, but when you are trying something it's a little less confusing - not so much is happening:-) There is a small posibility to remember something from rolling if you focus on something. I think I need easy things like keep your arms close and fight for positions first - after securing a mount or a guard, I might try some submission - not that I know many:-) Judo I practise on my own, but for BJJ I joined a basic training class. (It's very good to have some one teaching and a lot of different opponents to roll with.)

I started to learn Judo, but turned towards BJJ. (Still doing ukemis for Judo:-) From Judo I learned that breaking balance is a very important skill and some players and teachers have made the same point about BJJ - it's so much easier to do your move, if your opponent has a bad balance. It's difficult to counter from a bad balance. What about breaking balance in BJJ - in grappling - not standing? How do you develop it? Practice it? Just rolling or ...?

Hi, How do you think build your game? I've been learning moves and positions. One idea (strategy) has been to get in to top position - full mount, back mount. We have not had much submissions, but I am not worried about that. I read an article http://damagecontrolmma.com/4-principles-that-changed-my-grappling-game/. As far as I understod, main point was to control opponents arms. So do you have a strategy - principles - or some kind of game plan?

My homble thanks - from a seminar at Netherlands, Rotterdam:-)

Timing is due to Finlands winter. We are getting snow in few days - and BMX World Championship is in Birmingham next May. My daughter is planning to compete in challenge Class. I think her schedule is next to go to Spain for few weeks and in Janyary go to California for 2 - 3 months and after that back to Spain. I my self have never touch a BMX bike - it might be good for training legs? I'll check the bmx forum. Thanks again for help.

3) skill to vary and imply the technique in different situations (This means that technique comes with out thinking about it.) Throwdown0850 asked: Is the theoretical technique being pressured against a resisting, non-compliant opponent? Or is that what you mean by number 3? My asnwer: yes - applying and modifying your technique for a situation would be "higher" level learning - and ultimate goal might be to do it almost as a reflex - with out thinking. Just on more add to discussion about learning from internet. I stumbled on a site https://www.gracieuniversity.com/default.aspx It has a very good instructional approach.

Hi JohnASE, Yes, I did mean bicycle motocross racing. Idea is to live near many tracks and practice for 2 - 3 months. Location is not fixed, but just the idea of having many tracks near - and not too much money to spend:-) Maybe a camping area with a lodge? Or something? We are very open to ideas:-) Maybe rent a caravan and drive to different tracks? It's very difficult to get information. I've also asked a golf forum and a bicycle forum:-)

One thought more - maybe we think differently about learning? For me learning as many steps like: 1) knowledge - theory - knowing what should be done and way 2) technique - skill to do a technique 3) skill to vary and imply the technique in different situations (This means that technique comes with out thinking about it.)

Ofcourse ukemi is practised on a tatami. On my research on ukemis I have found a lot of different ukemis. I was thought a roll over front ukemi very many years ago ( ma ukemi), but I also found a ukemi where you fall on your face, but take the fall with your arms in a triangle in front of your chest. And also an ukemi where you come down like a wave - I think it's called "tiger". There as also a lot of discussion about "breaking the fall" with your arm. I think Korea styles do not like the idea. Argument is that on hard ground you might break your arm - so it's better to just roll like a cat. (Different ukemi than a tiger.) I think that ukemis is actually learnt when your opponent throws you many, many times:-) I think the term is "ukemi sannen" - three years of practise. But you can get ideas from internet - and it can be helpful or it can be harmful. It might not even be good to learn new things (and not master the technique) as it might mess up your previously learnt skills? Maybe learning from internet is for black belts? Maybe it's just for common knowledge - history and stuff? Maybe it's just for different strength training methods? (Like learning about hojo undo?)

Thanks Kevin for a good example - you learnt something on internet and your instructor tweaked it to make it more like he prefers it. Some tweaks are minor and some might be essential - don't know your kata and punkai you used for it. I was just asking an academic question about what, when and who can learn from internet. You asked "why". One answer could be to get a broader picture of dicipline you are training. By comparing different teacher or experts or wannabee experts on internet, you can learn to see differences in techniques - and maybe focus on something - and deepen your understanding. Other point of view might be that you want to learn totally different styles or diciplines - karateka learning Judo? BJJ practiser learning Tai Chi:-) - but you don't want to enroll in all the classes - just have a glimpse of what it might be? At he moment I have enrolled on BJJ basic class, but study Judo from internet - well, mostly ukemis at he moment. I think that after a month or so I can start testing my "Judo" on BJJ randori. Might just be a little extra things. (In history BJJ and Judo are from same root.) One point - it's not that if you learn from internet, you cannot go to a regular class? Or is it? Our BJJ instructor did ask us to only take advice from him. Not from others. (I do understand his point, but still a little ambitious from a blue belt:-)

I was at a BJJ club at their first session and at the end was a 60% effert randori Looks like 60% for some is very close to 100%. I am scouting for a good group and slowly planning a progressive program. I think sparring needs a progressive plan - start from maybe letting people use only 3 tehniques to counter? Or just having one as a tori and other as a uke for a while.... Or letting peple to punch in the head - and learning to block like "Crasy Monkey" Rodney King approaches.