Kirves

MMA would be my #1 choice. If I had the time, I'd mix some Kali/Escrima in there too. Wing Chun would be my #2 choice. And if possible, I'd mix some Kali/Escrima in there too.

Personally, from the options you listed, I'd choose this school and mix Judo and Karate. Where Shotokan ends, Judo takes off.

Wado-ryu is quite respected style here in Finland. It is mostly traditional karate with lots of kata bunkai, but at higher levels, it incorporates techniques from Jujutsu (because the founder of Wado-ryu was also a jujutsu master).

Yes, it doesn't go well under any such category, but most people wouldn't be searching for ninjutsu info from a karate-specific forum any day... I would likely think of three options for better placement of this thread: 1. Generic forum; any non-specific style discussions 2. Combative Arts forum; ninjutsu is highly diverse and very combative 3. Jujutsu/Grappling forum; Basically, the X-kan mainly teach a curriculum of six jujutsu styles with some ninjutsu aspects thrown in. Just my humble opinion.

Where do you think karate came from? Okay, Okinawa is nowadays part of Japan, but it didn't use to be when the ninjas were developing their systems. Karate and ninjutsu have very little in common. Ninjutsu and jujutsu have quite a lot in common as the unarmed methods of the ninja were practically just a distinct styles of jujutsu (to make it a bit too simplified).

Yes, I was thinking of Dharma of Dharma&Greg.

Hi there, what kind of full contact karate? Some particular style?

Hmmm... Why was this post put into "karate" forum? Ninjutsu doesn't even come from the same country as karate...

Traditional (koryu) jujutsu and aikijujutsu styles are good as they rely more on leverage and skill than strength.

I'm all for cross training, but I also think one should find styles that fit together on some level. If the systems contradict each other, you may get confused (at least your body will)

Masaaki Hatsumi founded the Bujinkan Dojo, which has a curriculum of nine bujutsu ryu-ha. Three of these ryu-ha are ninjutsu styles, the rest are koryu jujutsu ryu-ha. Manaka founded the Jinenkan Dojo after studying under Hatsumi. Tanemura founded the Genbukan Dojo after studying under Hatsumi too. There are several Koga ninjutsu teachers, but none have ever been able to prove any lineage to the real Koga ninja, and usually the styles don't even look like anything that any other medieval Japanese fighting arts look like, most look like kungfu or karate. And most of the best known Koga teachers have been ridiculed at because of their claims. I'm not saying names here, but some teachers were known as tournament karate champs, then they suddenly started teaching ninjutsu out of the blue and that kind of things. If you are interested in some Koga style, my suggestion is to first do a search for the instructor on the net, you may find results of some investigations done by other people. If you don't find anything that troubles you, then go try it out. There are some things to know about Koga ryu: usually it is accepted (some doubt it) that the last head of the Koga ninjutsu was Seiko Fujita. Also, the Koga was a bunch of 53 styles, any real Koga instructor should know the names of those styles, but usually they have no idea. There are also some other real authentic bujutsu styles that have some ninja aspects in them. For example, the Tenshin Shoden Katori Shinto ryu has a shinobijutsu component, but it was mostly developed to battle against the real ninjas, so it is more of an "anti-ninja" art, but has some resemblance to the real ninja arts.

ZeRo, he was talking about a "pressure point striker" so it is obvious he didn't even read the thread's subject line...

I think the kali unarmed methods are similar to muay thai to some extent. Of course there are differences, but the roundhouse kick, stop kick, basic punches and elbows are exact match or at least as near as it goes to muay thai. Also there are some more methods, like in my experience forearm strikes to the neck area, that were quite common in kali (often ending up in the clinch). The locks and takedowns are something similar to some jujutsu and wrestling moves, but usually very simple and direct. Actually, I don't have that much kali groundwork experience, just some takedowns and stand up grappling work. In the two years I trained kali very actively, we had very few groundwork sessions. And of course, there are lots of different styles of Filipino arts. My experiences come mostly from the "Inosanto Blend" line.

Some good options might be modern jujutsu styles (founded within the last 50 years) and Jeet Kune Do, just to name two options. I'm sure other people will come to name a few more.

Yes, because I don't know it all. 1. You probably have never heard of them, as they are Finnish people. 2. The deal was that you first show me where I have trashed other arts. Notice, that you yourself used plural, so if at all possible show me several occasions. Ah, oh, as you pm:d me, you are too computer illiterate to search for my posts. Well, I believe if you are literate enough to pm me, you should be able to use the search button too. I know at least two, one certified by Dan Inosanto, and one certified by Paul Vunak. And there's at least one certified Jun Fan instructor that I know of. There are also several JKD seminars held in Finland and neighboring Sweden and Denmark every year. Most JKD people in Finland take private instruction from their instructors during those opportunities.

I've read the McCarthy translation a couple of times. I feel it is most valuable as a historical curiosity, but I don't see it has that much practical value for today's karateka. Just my opinion though.

I don't think a good martial arts school has the kind of atmosphere where sexual harassment could take place. If such an event would happen, a word with the instructor would suffice. If the atmosphere allows that, and disallows complaining to the instructor, I'd leave the school already.

I studied kali as my main art for about two years in the past (94 to 96). About half of the time spent training was done unarmed. All the drills we did with knives was 99% directly applicaple to empty hands, with minor modifications. Sticks were good because I work as a security guard and always carry the baton with me. Usually new kali students starts by learning mostly stick techniques. For several months the training focuses on that. Then knife and empty hand training starts to come into picture. The reason is that with the sticks you have larger motions and it is easier to learn and teach them that way. If you start teaching complicated drills with small subtle movements, the intricacies are harder to grasp and it is harder for the instructor to notice and explain errors. But with large visible movements of the stick, they are easily shown, explained and noticed. Also, there's a historical reason for starting with the stick. In the old times, kali students were actually training to go to combat. Not in some distant future, but right then, or at least some weeks or months from the beginning. So they had to become effective warriors fast. Also good blades weren't available for everyone and training with them is dangerous if you aren't skilled. Thus it was reasonable to start with the stick. Rattan and wood grew everywhere so anyone going to combat could grab a stick and start fighting. Stick training was simple and straightforward and made the student effective fast. After the latter half of 96 I have kept kali on the sidelines, off and on, studying other arts, but I still try to drill some kali stuff once in a while as the methods are quite effective. IMO.

Are you sure the instructor meant this exact style? To the best of my knowledge that is not the case. Aikido for sure came from Daito-ryu Aikijujutsu. BJJ to the best of my knowledge, came mostly from judo (please correct me if I'm wrong, someone).

I'd go for jujutsu.

Actually, the version I was taught uses the first two knuckles. It depends on the punching technique. If you punch with the "common" punching mechanics, like in Isshin-ryu karate, Bujinkan taijutsu, or whatever, you use the two biggest knuckles. But if you punch in the Wing Chun way, in which the whole arm travels in a different angle and plane completely, you use the three smallest knuckles. This is because if you did otherwise, you'd have to bend the wrist in an unnatural curve.

I have said I read books. I have not said I study martial arts from books. There's a teeny bit difference. You have not been able to show any case where I have trashed other arts, nor have you got any intimate knowledge of my training history. Sorry pal.

And how does this differ from what I said? Pure semantics. You sent me a pm accusing me of constantly trashing other martial arts on this forum. Let's make a deal. You show me where I trash other arts and in return I'll tell you what arts I study and where, okay?

Good luck! Yeah, if you live in an area where there's snow and ice in the winter, it is better to learn how to drive during this time so the effects of ice and snow won't come as a surprise when you meet them for the first time alone.

Lahti, Finland.