sensei8

Well, possibly the problem in Dallas isn't Romo. Tonight's Dallas QB, and it wasn't Romo, threw 2 INTERCEPTIONS. Can't win a game of the magnitude by throwing 2 interceptions. The problem, imho, is that the Cowboys are cursed to never return to the Super Bowl in my life time. Good win Eagles; you deserved it!!

I think this could be a part of the issue if anyone can achieve 1st dan in such a short time and young age. I know a young man that is a black belt after 3 years of training and only 8 years on this earth. So what will this say about his 2nd, and 3rd degree promotion and so on? At some point he will be another young master. I agree that the proof is on the floor, but at what point is the line drawn. Can an 8 year old defend himself if attacked by a untrained 11 year old? Can he demonstrate kata or basics at the proper level? If so great, if not start a junior ranking system. Of course this varies from one org to another. I'll respect it either way. Just asking for your valued opinions. On the floor; there is no line to draw, nor is there any drawn line!!

Like I've said, it's not the technique that's ineffective, but, imho, it's the practitioner that's ineffective in its execution. Imho!!

Recently I was scanning through Iain Abernethy's latest stream. And I found this... http://iainabernethy.co.uk/content/kata-movie While it's being filmed, it touts an opening date of October 2014. I think it would be worth a look at, if the needed financials are meet for production and the like. Seems an interesting movie. Once released, if released, I'll be checking it out.

Didn't find anything at Panther. However, I did find these... http://www.amazon.com/Tang-Soo-Do-Forms-Volume/dp/B0006N5JJS/ref=pd_sim_b_2 AND... http://www.amazon.com/Complete-Tang-Soo-Master-Manual/dp/0971860912/ref=pd_sxp_f_pt Prices look more affordable!! Hopefully, these are what you're looking for.

Yeah, the price is crazy, even more, it's for a book!! I hope you find what you're looking for. I'm not sure, but doesn't Panther have what you're looking for.

Okay...I'm back on Skype as of this post. Yippee!! My sign-on or ID is Kyuodan! If that's not enough, how about Robert Mitcham, I live in Owasso, OK. If still interested, please let me know so that I can add you to my contact list. It's been awhile, but I should get the hand of it again once I start using Skype more often. Can't wait to talk to you!! See ya' when I see ya'!!

A win is a win...Weidman wins!! Sorry to hear that Silva broke his leg on a check kick...OUCH!! Career ending injury I think... did not look pleasant to saw the least! You might be right, if his career isn't over, it's going to be awhile before he gets back. Doctors say that a broken bone heals even stronger. Kind of like a wield makes two pieces stronger once made into one piece.

A win is a win...Weidman wins!! Sorry to hear that Silva broke his leg on a check kick...OUCH!! Rousey showcased, again, her Judo skills over and over, her timing is solid. Good win, and while I do understand why she refused to shake hands with Tate at the end, she still could've shown some sportsmanship.

I understand. I wasn't getting on with a debate either. I was just informing those who weren't aware of what the basic differences were between the two, and that both types are effective, imho.

Interesting mix! At least you both worked well within the space parameters allowed. In that, I agree that finding opposing time slots would benefit both. Just last month, I was going to host a Rape Prevention seminar at our local community center, but I was denied because..."I've heard that these types of activities involve a lot of yelling and screaming and stuff, and I'm afraid that that would disturb the knitting class, being held at the same time, across the hall, but if you can guarantee that you'll do nothing like that, we can consider it. After all, that knitting class has been meeting in that same room for much too long to ask them to reschedule their time, and I'd never ask them to find a different time and/or available room within our center. You know, they were here first, as unfriendly as that seems." I understood their reasoning's, but I told them that I couldn't guarantee a quiet class because being very loud and emitting sharp piercing noises, well, it's part of the prevention element, and in that, students would be required to be forceful with their loud voices with things like, STOP/NO, and some other type of LOUD YELLING. At that, she seemed startled, that's when I told her..."See, the YELLING CAN be disturbing, and that's the point when ones being raped or attacked."

Solid post!! I think that while the word "master" is used too often, it's used too often because either one doesn't understand the true meaning behind said word, and/or, it's because they don't know any other expressive word, and/or, it's because they were told that word by someone close to them, and/or, they have too much self-aggrandizement issues. For whatever the reason(s) may or may not be, I agree, it's a word that's used much too often.

Being in a style that's "soft" VS "hard" isn't a bad thing in either way. By that I mean, if you're in one of them, your style isn't weak or inferior or dominating or any other descriptive label. How one deals with said attacker is how ones style attaches itself on one or the other terminologies. A hard technique meets force with force, while a soft technique uses attacker's force to the attackers disadvantage, not to romantic, but right to the point.

Solid post!!

I only hang them up at the dojo beside my many business license's, as well in my office at the Hombu. I've not hung up any at my home in quite a long time.

You train hard for quite along time, then you pass your rank test, and then, when it's all said and done, you take your certificate, and then you frame it. In what manner did you frame your rank certificate? My mom framed all of mine for me when I was a kid. For my Kyu ranks, she'd get a basic frame, one that can be found at any 5-and-dime store. And because our Dan certificates are larger, 11"X17", she'd have to find some frames that would accommodate them. However, when I started doing my own framing, I went pretty caveman-like by laminating my rank certificates, and then attaching them to a large and attractive, if there's such a thing, cutting board before I hung them on a wall. Like I said, quite caveman-like. Sorry!! How about you!?!

Solid post!! Some great historical facts!!

I'm going with Weidman and Rousey!!

Great posts thus far. Well informative. Please keep them coming. Any videos of said style??

Of course you haven't Bob I merely probed your response for some further discussion. I suppose my problem is that I don't hold much value in a 1st dan. Probably because they are a dime a dozen in my style and you can obtain one after 3-4 years of training. Subsequently IMHO, why not give to young people? As sensei8 says, the proof is on the floor. Belt doesn't matter unless it is backed up by skills and knowledge. I'm glad to hear that I've not hurt you!! "Why not give to young people?" Why award them at all, no matter the age? Rank is subjective, especially in the Dan ranks. Scary to say the least. It's possible that the 1st Dan is the problem. Why? Once they get the taste of it, they want it more and more, in the way of rank identifiers. People in some noted styles after the founder had passed away, went from a 7th Dan right to 10th Dan, just that fast. That angers me much, much more than a child BB!! I've asked this, like forever. What was wrong with being a 7th Dan? Was it so bad that only having the 10th Dan made their life seem more full and meaningful? For that type of MAist, I bow to the child BB way before I'd ever bow to them!!

YES...Solid post!!

This statement bothers me due to the fact that I hear it alot in the TMA as well as in the boxing circle almost all the time. Traditional martial art has itself to blame to be honest! (as does boxing) Its not mma's fault that tma circles began to manufacture rainbow color belt Its not mma's fault that every 8 year old and their grandmother is a blackbelt Its not mma's fault that we have a mcdojo culture that was a result of many instructors in the tma community abusing their position for profit These bad behaviours that occured in the tma world surfaced before the rise of the mma culture. Blaming mma is alot like the rap genre blaming rock and roll for its lack of popularity. Also on a last note, to the poster who was insulted by a kickboxer, I have been involved with the boxing/tma world and I will say that every martial arts/combat culture has its bad apples as well as its unsung heros. I agree with all of your points. To be more exact about my statement: The introduction of MMA into society allowed people to see there was something better out there. It exposed the multitude of schools that falsely claim to teach self defense when all they really were was a glorified daycare. That's what I mean when I say, "It's MMAs fault." So all the things you mentioned, and some, are included in my statement. It opened people's eyes to being more skeptical of what their doing. Absolutely Great posts both of you! The issues within the traditional MA are mainly internal. Those of us within the traditional MA have the power and control to fix/improve things. We cannot control what happens in MMA, so we need to focus on ourselves and that which we can control, IMHO. To the bold type above...Solid!!

We live in an age of instant satisfaction and gratification, therefore, the obtainment of high rank fuels the carnal fire within said practitioner of the MA. I do not think it's feasible for someone under the age of 18 to be a 2nd-3rd Dan. It goes way beyond the sense of feasibility to even imagine it to be so. Many will speak about, if the child can do what the adult can do, then why not? Rank goes way beyond technical abilities, and in that, it requires maturity. I groveled about being a JBB for 5 years, but I began to understand, about my 3rd year as a JBB why Soke had made that rule in our By-Laws. I wasn't mature enough to carry that monumental responsibility. What responsibility? The responsibility to understand that fighting isn't the only available option when confronted, and to not "show-off" to other children, and in that, it sometimes leads to the child BB bullying other kids because said child BB isn't grasping the aspect of one being humble before others. Can one even imagine a child 3rd Dan standing amongst adult 3rd Dan's, and then be paired up for Kumite, and age is immaterial!! I can see the child 3rd Dan freaking out!! Why shouldn't the child 3rd Dan engage with an adult 3rd Dan? They're technically equals...right?!? Bow, and then rock-on!! Why is the child 3rd Dan STILL in the child class, and not in the adult class with the other black belts?? Hhhmmmm... Well, that's different or that's not the same thing or whatever else??!!?? Either you can or you can't!! Doesn't this all depend on the value you you place on a blackbelt? It seems that giving a child a blackbelt is some sort of sacrilege but really it depends on the value it holds. To the bit in bold, why would that be the case only when a child is a blackbelt? The same issue could occur when the child is a brown belt or blue. Or do you deliberately not teach the person certain techniques until they have passed that grading. Surely you should instill in any child practicing MA that showing off is not acceptable and that fighting isn't the only option. When you teach them a punch or a kick you as the teacher have that responsibility from day 1 not just from when you hand them a particular coloured belt. For the record, in ITF TKD you can obtain a 1st dan at 13, 2nd at 14 and 3rd at 16. I took my gradings at 14, 16 and 19 respectively and if I pass my 4th dan next year, I'll hit that at 23. Think of it what you will but like I said, it depends on the value you place on that belt. With some governing bodies, it is a sacrilege to award a BB to a child. Not with us, except we only award JBB to those that are under 18 years old, and that means no additional Dan ranks until after one has earned a Shodan. Shodan isn't a JBB rank with us. Value differs from one governing body to governing body, and in that, value differs from practitioner to practitioner. Practitioners within said governing body MUST adhere to what the governing body has decided. If one wants to leave said governing body for whatever reason(s), then leave, to me, it's just that simple. To the bold type above, it's not just about the kids. However, this topic is speaking about kids. Both the kids and the adults should be held to the same expectations concerning ANY RANK, not just the BB. Also, I do not hold back techniques to be taught. What I don't do is teach techniques that aren't within their current rank. I don't teach the white belt things that are meant for the green belt, and I don't teach the green belt things that are meant for the black belt. Why? They're not ready for that which isn't meant for them. Within said rank, I'll teach them everything, and I mean everything, because I don't believe in hidden techniques. Never have, never will. Would you teach a white belt a green belt technique? I wouldn't because as a white belt, they're just learning to crawl within the MA. To teach them techniques that are beyond their understanding is doing them a injustice. If not, then get rid of the belts and teach them whatever whenever and hope for the best. 1st graders don't learn things that a 12th grader is learning for obvious reason. This is the same for me and our Hombu!! In that, I instill in each and every student the morals and tenets of the MA from day one. If they violate them, they're disciplined, and if their actions continue, then they're banned. No exceptions!! I answered the question that this topic and/or poster asked. I don't approve of a child Shodan and above. What happens in other styles is their given right, I respect their reasons, and I don't condemn them. Danielle, I've told you many times that I totally respect you, and in that, I respect your BB. I've told you that I've respected your 3rd Dan, and I've told you the reasons why that I do. If you were at the other Dan ranks at ages that I don't approve of, well, that means very little to me because I value your knowledge, I value your experience, I value your Dan rank, I value you for who you are, I value you as a person who's a solid 3rd Dan. I've told you before that I consider you one of the most solid 3rd Dan's that I've ever had the honor of knowing!! Now and forever!! It's not what you were then, it's about what you are now!! I echo what our Soke has declared through his By-Laws; I don't apologize for it. If I've hurt you, I'm sorry, it was never my intent to do so. I honor your 3rd Dan in TKD, and I'll value your 4th Dan whenever that happens.

We've no less than 3 graders, and the higher the Dan rank, the more graders. Why? More eyes equals credibility. Imho!!