sensei8

I would proudly put up the PKA's first team, Joe Lewis, Jeff Smith, and Bill Wallace against all comers, and then throw in Chuck for the cherry on the top.

I tend to agree with ps1 and where he is going with his argument. I have some grappling experience, most of it with the GRACIE course I've taken through LEO training opportunities. I don't think that if I started added in 30 minutes of grappling work in the classes I taught that it would allow me to call what I teach MMA. Nor would it be if I started adding Combat Hapkido into the curriculum. We would be doing multiple styles and working them together, but I would not be training anyone to do a whole lot in an MMA fight. I wouldn't feel right if I started saying that I was teaching MMA. You know seeing that MMA has been around before the label stuck, in one way or another, and it came into its own, ALL MA are MMA. This is what seems to be the argument, and therefore, we've all the right to teach some hybrid of MMA. Shindokan's brand of Tuite, imho, is MMA, considering we're an Okinawan brand of some type or another, and Okinawan MA came from somewhere else first. Borrow, don't borrow, call it what you want, just as long as its effective, and that that effectiveness can be taught. Imho. IMHO, some of the confusion is attributed to whether a given practitioner is mixing arts or combining concepts. This may seem like splitting hairs, but allow me to explain... From previous posts, I think we all have a good idea of what mixing styles entails, and it is true that many "single" arts today are indeed a mix of many arts. However, to show what I mean, let's look at what bushido_man said in the quote above... From bushido_man's quote, he's trained in a "mix" of arts (besides his base TKD). If he shared some of that training with his students, I agree that he wouldn't be training them in "MMA" nor a "mixed art". Rather, he's showing them concepts they can use to enhance their own art; he'd be combining concepts. I'm in slight disagreement with sensei8 when he mentions Tuite. See, rather than a separate art form, Tuite is a set of concepts that provide fighting sense and cohesion when combined with the basics of Okinawan karate. It's not a separate MA from Okinawan karate, it's part of the same art; again, combining concepts. For myself, when I train with my Ti instructor, I'm not really learning a separate art. I'm infusing my Shorin-Ryu with a set of concepts that were meant to be a part of it from the beginning. Ti is a set of concepts, not a separate art, and doesn't make my art an "MMA" nor a "mixed art" at all... Solid post!! I'm in FULL disagreement with what I said about our brand of Tuite because I believe that our brand of Tuite is solid across the board. Those concepts, I hold dearly and close to my heart, now and forever. But, in playing devils advocate, for the moment, claiming our brand of Tuite as a form and/or part of MMA. Shindokan, as well as our brand of Tuite, isn't MMA, not even close. As CredoTe has stated so well, cohesive concepts that form what we have AS a solid style of the MA. I've trained in a plethora of styles over the near 50 years to broaden my understanding and knowledge about the different styles of the MA so that I can meet head-on said style with certainty and confidence with what Shindokan is. But Shindokan stands in the front proudly, as it should because I sincerely believe in its effectiveness!!

Great replies, all, thank you!! Those who've just joined us, please break down what you've just posted to its simplest form to KF members here that are beginners of their respective style of the MA.

That's pretty cool. You've done your job well. Its hard to pick just one. I'd say that getting my original black belt when I was in the ATA was way up there. Getting to train with Royce Gracie is way up there, as well. Meeting with sensei8 and doing our training time together is another great one, and on that I think we will repeat sometime this year. Yes, we will!! Hopefully this September or October!!

I tend to agree with ps1 and where he is going with his argument. I have some grappling experience, most of it with the GRACIE course I've taken through LEO training opportunities. I don't think that if I started added in 30 minutes of grappling work in the classes I taught that it would allow me to call what I teach MMA. Nor would it be if I started adding Combat Hapkido into the curriculum. We would be doing multiple styles and working them together, but I would not be training anyone to do a whole lot in an MMA fight. I wouldn't feel right if I started saying that I was teaching MMA. You know seeing that MMA has been around before the label stuck, in one way or another, and it came into its own, ALL MA are MMA. This is what seems to be the argument, and therefore, we've all the right to teach some hybrid of MMA. Shindokan's brand of Tuite, imho, is MMA, considering we're an Okinawan brand of some type or another, and Okinawan MA came from somewhere else first. Borrow, don't borrow, call it what you want, just as long as its effective, and that that effectiveness can be taught. Imho.

Zaine and mazzybear, Thank you, both, for your kind and supportive words; means a lot to Nathan and myself. And yes, he's enjoying be mobile once again, no matter the weather!!

To the bold type above... I surely hope that the training is a steeper learning curve from one rank to rank, no matter the rank. For those who have been put off because of the steeper training, well, I'd have it no other way; CHALLENGE ME!! But, I too, noticed the same thing way back then. Didn't shock me, unsettled me at first because I knew it would, but knowing what to expect isn't the same thing as actually experiencing it for real.

Whichever one they can tolerate!! Experience is the teacher here, imho!! It's their money, and if want to get a heavy gi, then get it. If they get all blown up by carrying the darn heavy thing up and down the floor, then they can get a gi that's more to their liking.

Great posts, by all, thus far; thank you!! Seeing that I'm trying to draw beginners of the MA into this thread. Not to ever counter ones CI, but to provide alternating mindsets to consider... **Can each of you explain how one's "blocking" with the Merriam-Webster Dictionary provided in the OP?? **Does the SNAP, as described by Shorin_Uechi, provide the needed "blocking" element?? **Does the striking in the "blocking" actually NOT strike at all, but still is a "deflection"??

I disagree. Imho, you have either one or the other, unless everything that you do is an intercepted attact/counter attack where you never block/deflect...ever! But in that, I don't believe that one could depend on that by itself!!

Ditto!!

That teen is my 19 year old son, Nathan. He's a special needs adult. Well, please check out the video link below... http://www.fox23.com/news/local/story/Owasso-police-purchase-new-bike-for-teen/Y8D0hRa7i0GZiVfmOUFdDA.cspx A picture is worth a thousand words, however I'm at lose for just the right words to speak about this, except, Thank you!! This is the second time that Owasso came to help Nathan... http://www.karateforums.com/nathan-dresses-out-vt44506.html?highlight=dress+nathan I'd like to thank each and every business in Owasso and the Owasso Police Department for coming to the unexpected aide of our son, Nathan, once again. It was unexpected because all I did file a police report with the Owasso Police after Nathan's bike was stolen. I didn't solicit anyone and/or any business when this happened. I just filed a police report like anyone does when they've had something stolen from them!! Sad thing was when I was told by a neighbor, afterword..."You've opened a can of worms. Do you think that your son is the only one who's ever had a bike stolen? Selfish!!" Huh? I filed a report to the police, nothing more. I didn't call Channel 23, or anybody!!

Solid post!!

Blocking VS Deflecting!! No matter the label, one label is true, while the other is misleading, imho. Which one are YOU executing at the appropriate moment? Are you blocking said attack? Are you deflecting said attack? Imho, you're doing one or the other; not both!! Let's look at the definition of each one. The Merriam-Webster Dictionary states... BLOCKING: a) the action or process of obstructing movement, progress, or activity, in particular. b) to impede movement by opponent. Let's look at the definition of the underlined word above: obstructing... OBSTRUCTING: a) to interrupt, hinder, or oppose the passage, progress, course, etc., of. b) to stop. DEFLECTING: a) to bend or turn aside; turn from a true course or straight line; swerve. b) direct. What have you gotten from these definitions? When said attacker attacks you with a measure to do you some serious harm, what do you suppose would be the most tactical and advantageous course for you? To block or to deflect?!?! Are you actually stopping said attack in its track? I mean, is the fist that's targeting your head right now going to be stopped, per the aforementioned definitions concerning "BLOCKING"? Sure, they're nothing more than apples are to oranges, when one speaks about either of them; blocking or deflecting. Just as long as either is effective in its means!! Are you going to STOP a 60 mph kick dead in its tracks? To block, or to stop an attack as it would be so when a car hits the wall head-on at 60 mph. BAM...STOP... Well, we're probably going to need something with more stopping power than one of our arms or whatever other available body part(s). Try to stop, and I mean STOP said attack, I'm harshly increasing the chance of severely injuring myself because of the blunt trauma incurred by my own actions. To stop an attack is going to have to absorb, thus take on said attack directly and bluntly so that said attack stops any and all forward motion and/or progress. Try to stop said attack, better have some type of a shield to absorb all given energy. If not, then ones going to suffer one way or another!! But while you're executing said "blocking" drills with your training partner, just HOW are YOU "STOPPING", for example, a reverse punch to your face?? Think about it for a quick second. Aha...yeah...me too!! My rising forearm block, Age-Uke, is NOT contacting my training partners fist directly, but instead, my FOREARM is!! Now, what's happening? Did your Age-Uke STOP the attack, dead in its tracks, or did your Age-Uke DEFLECT the attack in an upward direction, therefore, directing the attacking fist in a new path, all via your forearm contacting your training partners forearm's underside?? A DEFLECTION has just occurred!! Nothing was stopped!! Yes, the attempted attack was thwarted and the momentum was halted but that was a mutual compliance by your training partner and yourself. Imho, no matter the type of technique is used to attack my with, I'll DEFLECT it because I CAN'T STOP IT; I can only redirect it's true course away from me. Even if a "block" gives the appearance that said attack was stopped, it was in all actuality, just deflected!! Blocking VS deflecting? Imho, deflecting wins hands down!! Hopefully, this might shed some meaningful light for those beginners in the MA, no matter the style. One day one will have to answer the best way to address said attack effectively. Knowing how is more than half the battle. Are you BLOCKING, or are you DEFLECTING?? Your thoughts, train hard, and train well!!

Time ..... I feel I need to train to have patience before training in Karate In TIME, all things will work together for those who exercise...patience!! Hajime = Begin Yame = Stop Rei = Bow What to say at the end of sparring?...well...just BOW, and be done with it!! The bow says a lot on its own.

As in anything, time has to be given time!! In time, you'll recognize the terminologies as though you've been listening to them for your whole life. In that, in time you'll be speaking said terminologies more fluidly. Both will take what? TIME!! My Dai-Soke was born and raised in Okinawa! His English wasn't easily understood. To say that his English was broken was being kind, for me, his English wasn't broken, it was shattered. A long jibber is how I defined it, and if it wasn't for him showing us what he was trying to say, I don't know where I'd be. Over the many years, his English did improve, and so much so, that his conversations became no more a task of "Huh?", but an eloquent flow instead, mixed with his beautiful accent. Although, at times, he'd revert. Challenge his calmness, well, his native language was best for those times because no one, other than Soke, as well as his own family, really knew what he was saying. But I'm sure the air was turning blue, if you get my meaning!! In time, I became more fluent in the terminologies, speaking and understanding, and that's only because TIME was on my side. I could converse with him in his language, but me speaking his native language was worse than his shattered English; I suppose we tolerated one another when it came to that. I concentrated on training and learning Shindokan, and not on terminologies and the like; Shindokan first, terminologies and the like later. In time, they both meshed together beautifully. Hang in there, you'll be fine in this area too, in time!!

This post is a belated announcement, in such. GM Young Ik Suh passed away October 2013. My belated prayers and sympathy go out to his family, friends, and students; he will be greatly missed. http://burbankmartialarts.net/?p=825 Through the above link, one, if interested, could learn much more about him in the many words written about him in one article after another. Better to be told by those who knew him far better than I did. GM Young Ik Suh was my TKD instructor while I was attending the Burbank High School, Burbank, California, this was in 1974-1975. His skills in TKD were the most profound for me to witness, and those memories still burn bright in my mind as though I was witnessing them for the first time today. His humor was infectious, yet at times, purposeful. His teaching skills emanated from on high; direct, to say the least. His TKD skills were extraordinary. I still can see his head rubbing the ceiling tiles with each and every flying side kick. And his piercing kiai; still sends shivers down my spine. It was a short year that I was under his guidance, but an unforgettable year it was. His teachings added greatly to my MA betterment, and in that, his teachings accentuated Shindokan, then, and still does today!! I bow to him; my teacher, and my friend. Without him I would've not known the awesome power that is TKD!! We kept in touch for many, many years, but in time, we parted the familiarity that we shared, and I'm still wondering where the Kung-Fu part of his life emerged because I only knew him as a TKD GM!! Be at peace, my friend!!

Excellent points!! There's no way that I'd ever challenge a parents authority over their children in any shape, way, and/or form. In that, I'd never pretend to assume a position or authority that I don't possess!! I don't want parents to leave their kid(s) with me, and that's because I'm not a babysitter!! I know that's not the point you're making. In that, we've an air conditioned elevated viewing room where they can WATCH their kid(s) in comfort. In addition, the Hombu also has closed circuit TV's for parents to monitor their kid(s). One of the reasons to ask parents to watch from the viewing room is because a lot of students have performance anxieties, and it increases even more when parent(s) are in the same room as the testing cycle. Now, if a parent(s) insist, I've no problem because of the reasons that you've pointed out. We've got a big viewing area right inside the testing area because when there's no testing cycle in progress, that area is the main dojo floor where regular classes are held. If a kid wants there parent with them during testing, the parent(s) are more than welcome!! I'd never refuse that from any child. I'll give a parent one warning if they start to disturb the testing cycle, after that one warning, I'll insist that the parent(s) watch from aforementioned viewing room, and if the parent(s) won't, well, I'll stop the testing cycle for said student and insist that they return at a more appropriate time to finish said testing cycle. We've two BB's that wait just outside the entrance of the testing area for the sole purpose of answering parent(s) normal questions concerning the testing cycle. Those BB's are also there to stop parents from storming in during a testing cycle. If a parent(s) have an issue, one of the BB's will come inside of the testing area, and inform a Senior Dan, and said Senior Dan will come out to speak with parent(s), and if the parent(s) want their kid(s), then the Senior Dan will notify me, and I'll stop the testing cycle immediately and without any questions. While the students are mine once on the floor, the students are their parent(s) totally and completely. I'd never interfere in that!! I'd not like it myself, and I've 4 kids myself, although there all grown ups now, but I can truly appreciate and understand from that side of the fence. No instructor and no school of the MA should come between a parent and anyone in the student body!!

Welcome to KF!!!!!!!!!

Proudest moment? Too many to pick!!

Congrats...well done, and well deserved!!

Ditto!!

You're more than welcome! Glad it helped you!! Glad everyone here loved the video!!

Just started in Kyokushin a little over a month ago... I don't think you need to be fit to train but the training will definitely make you fit if you aren't already. what Hammer said! Yes, what Hammer said!!