Fat, fat go away!

[Kate]

*edit* Edited October 17, 2003 by Kate

[Neil]

Eliminate all the starchy carbohydrates things like pasta, rice, bread, cerales, potatoes, pastrys, chocolot, candy (any sweets), fizzy drinks and all greasy foods.

 

Eat plenty for fresh fruit, vegetables and lean proteins. Also go on fasts. There are 2 types of fasting fruit fasts and water fasts. Adults should fast for 24 hours once a week, to eliminate all the crap out of the body and flsh it out. Water seemes to be better since fruit can drain you of toxins too quickly. If you want to fast for longer for better results do it for NO longer than 3 days. This is also similar to the Atkins diet where you eat a low carb diet except this I think is more healthy since you only eliminate starchy carbs. I tried this diet for about a week just to get rid of some ever growing love handles and within a few days it was all turned to muscle! I am back on my bulking diet now.

 

Training. The best way and only your gonna get rid of fat in your training is if you do both anerobic and aerobic. The best burner of fat and calories is aerobi respiration. I highly recommend interval training since your switching from short intence bursts of anerobic training to aerobic recovery. What you do is basically sprint 100 meters at 100% effort, then jog the next 100 meters taking no longer than 60 seconds, then repeat the sprint. Do this 8 times so you finish with 8 sprints and 8 jogs. This is by the hardest sort of training I have ever done, and when you sprint you, well just look at Denise Lewis, her six pack came from just running!

 

Exercise in the morning when you havn't eaten anything becasue after you have exercised you will still continue to burn calories for another 8 hours. I highly recommend 'Combat Abs' by Matt Furey.

 

http://www.mattfurey.com/combat_abs.html

 

The basic rule for having a lean body is following natures law which is based in Matt's book and many wrestlers use it today succesfully despite the critism.

 

Eat:

 

Anything you can pluck from a tree

 

Anything you can get from the ground

 

And anything you can get from an animal

 

There a few exceptions to this rule since you should avoid potatoes and kidney beens since these 2 vegetables contain far two much starch. Also don't drink two much milk, milk is used to improve muscle mass a lot. The proteins you eat will help you maintain muscles mass while you lose weight but don't eat two much.

 

Here is the diet listed in the book that he used when he needed to drop 20 pounds in 6 weeks for a tournamount in China. (which he sucssesfully acheived, and wom becoming the first ever American to win any martial arts competition held in China).

 

Morning: Fresh Fruit or yougurt mixed with fruit

 

Mid Morning: Raw Almonds

 

Lunch: Roast chicken and vegetables, protein salad, or stir fry.

 

Mid evening: Fresh Fruit

 

Dinner: Salmon fillet with vegetables, stir fry, or protein salad.

 

remember to also drink plenty of water and to get plenty of fats from vegetables and oily fish. Remember the body needs 35% fats so don't restric them, but only natyral fats from vegetables and oils fish (salmon, sardines etc).

 

hope I'v helped,

 

Neil

[Tombstone]

I don't think theres much else to be said

 

Just remember that your diet plays a key role in weight loss.

[jamis]

Being on the Atkins diet myself, I agree that eliminating the startches and processed sugars is key. However, I'm not sure I agree with a once a week fast. This could quite easily put your body into 'starvation' mode which would actually slow your metabolism for a while and be quite counter productive at burning fat. Not to mention the fact that you'll most like be miserable through some of that time and awfully hungry the next day.. at least with me, I could see a binge being very likely.

 

Another point I'd like to stress.. espeically for those of us who have/had a decent amount of fat to lose, is that a diet should be a way of life, not just something you do to lose the weight and then go off of. This is a formula for just gaining everything back as soon as you reach goal and start eating like you were previously. Any diet/eating plan should be something you can LIVE with and adapt to your current weight loss goals (losing, maintaning, body building, etc).

 

On a side note about Atkins (slightly off the topic of the thread, but to prevent any misconceptions about the diet) -

 

The point of the Atkins diet is to keep your blood sugar stable to prevent cravings and spikes/drops in energy levels, and to also keep you satisfied/not hungry by consuming higher levels of proteins and good fats which fill you up faster (consuming less overall calories) and take longer to digest (keeping you satisfied).

 

While fruits are typically off limits (berries are ok, earlier) in the begining stages due to their sugar content (see the point of stable blood sugar), they can eventually be worked back into your diet along with whole grains, beans, brown rice, some pastas, etc, in controlled quantities later on down the road. Veggies are your primary source of carbohydrates (starting at about 20g of carbs (not counting fiber) per day) and gradually increasing the number of carbs to match your current phase (weight loss, pre-maintenance, maintenance).

 

It's definately something that can easily be lived with on a daily basis and isn't a crash diet to quickly drop some weight and then leave you hanging once you reach your goal.

[Kamidake]

I have a question about the rice issue. I am not so sure that rice makes you fat. There is a great deal of rice eaten in the Far East, and when I see film footage of street scenes in China, Japan, and Thailand, I see very few, if any, fat people. Do Orientals metabolize rice differently than persons of other races?

 

My own suspicion, although I have no empirical evidence, is it's not a matter so much of what you eat as of how much, and also it's a matter of getting off your butt. I DO have empirical evidence of that latter point. During the three years I was sidelined (I had days I could barely walk across the hall, let alone dance) I gained 50 pounds.

[Tombstone]

My own suspicion, although I have no empirical evidence, is it's not a matter so much of what you eat as of how much, and also it's a matter of getting off your butt.

 

I disagree about some of that. I follow guide lines on what I eat and when I'm done with a mass gaining cycle I still eat 5-6 meals a day while losing the extra fat. But I do agree about getting off your butt

[jamis]

I have a question about the rice issue. I am not so sure that rice makes you fat. There is a great deal of rice eaten in the Far East, and when I see film footage of street scenes in China, Japan, and Thailand, I see very few, if any, fat people. Do Orientals metabolize rice differently than persons of other races?

 

The best answer to this is direct from atkinscenter.com...

 

"There are two answers to this question. First, although their diets are high in carbohydrates, they are generally not overly processed and Asian portions tend to be smaller when compared to American portions. Sweets and junk food were not traditionally staples of the diet. Moreover, Asians typically worked outdoors instead of sitting behind desks all day and walked or rode bicycles instead of driving cars, so they were able to burn off the glucose from carbohydrates. If people in Western cultures did the same, they too could remain slim. Unfortunately, as Asian cultures are becoming more Westernized, they too are beginning to suffer from the Western diseases of obesity and diabetes."

[Kamidake]

Well, I don't know about that either. I have an aunt from South Korea and an aunt from Thailand. The South Korean lives in Singapore and I haven't got to see her in many years (although I see from her pictures that she's gained little weight) but the Thai lives right here in the U.S. in Washington, D.C. She leads a typical American life but still eats a lot of the home food. Thais are very fond of noodles. Varee packs away a lot of noodles (she's got a healthy appetite for a little person!). If I understand correctly, according to Atkins noodles are even worse than rice, and Varee's not moving around any more than any other American, so if the Atkins answer is right, she should be huge. But she's not. She has gained a little weight since she retired (she was a professional hula dancer! ) but you could by no means call her fat. So there may be a little more to it than the Atkins explanation. We might be able to shed some light on the metabolic part of the question if we hear from someone who is NOT Oriental but lived in one of those countries and ate the local food. Is anybody like that reading this? Did you lose weight, gain weight, stay the same? It could also be, other than metabolism, that some other food commonly eaten in Asia but not commonly eaten here offsets the fattening effect of the carbs.

 

One possible explanation may be that Asian cuisines are heavy on veggies. Meat is more of a condiment, so to speak, than an ingredient. You find little slivers of meat in a dish loaded with vegetables. You won't see this in a typical Chinese restaurant that caters to Americans (they'd go broke), but if you find a more down-home type of restaurant in an area with large Asian populations (like D. C.), you will get a more typical view of the cuisine.

[jamis]

Well.. there are always those folks in ANY culture that just have a metabolism to die for (they can eat anything and stay thin). But at least generally speaking, the Atkins answer is pretty close to being right on in my mind. The veggies point is also valid, i think.

[Kamidake]

Well, let's see if we can't begin to get to the bottom of this. I'll eat Oriental-style for a month, as much as possible, and see what happens. I reserve the right to pick up the occasional pizza on a particularly crazy day. Also to terminate the experiment if I notice my clothes getting tight.

 

Will report back!