Himokiri Karate Posted April 13, 2021 Posted April 13, 2021 I understand that karate is a striking art but I am wondering which style of karate is grappling heavy in terms of throws and takedowns and maybe ground or newaza as the judokas like to call it. It begins with the knowledge that the severity of a strikes impact is amplified by a smaller surface area.
Wastelander Posted April 13, 2021 Posted April 13, 2021 Style-wise, it's a mixed bag. You're more likely to find that sort of material from schools that teach "practical karate," regardless of the style. The material is present in all styles of karate, but they don't all train in it. Kishimoto-Di | 2014-Present | Sensei: Ulf KarlssonShorin-Ryu/Shinkoten Karate | 2010-Present: Yondan, Renshi | Sensei: Richard Poage (RIP), Jeff Allred (RIP)Shuri-Ryu | 2006-2010: Sankyu | Sensei: Joey Johnston, Joe Walker (RIP)Judo | 2007-2010: Gokyu | Sensei: Joe Walker (RIP), Ramon Rivera (RIP), Adrian RiveraIllinois Practical Karate | International Neoclassical Karate Kobudo Society
aurik Posted April 13, 2021 Posted April 13, 2021 This can not only vary with the style but also organizations within that style, and also potentially instructors. For example, in Uechi-Ryu we are always taught to grab an opponent to control him and maintain appropriate distance. Additionally, there are a number of throws inherent in our kata and bunkai. However, not all organizations and/or instructors will teach them. Last year, my CI and his father taught at a seminar discussing these throws and takedowns, and a number of the attendees were seeing those throws for the first time.We don't practice those throws/takedowns very often, but they are a lot of fun to work on. Generally we'll work them once or twice a month. Shuri-Ryu 1996-1997 - Gokyu Judo 1996-1997 - Yonkyu Uechi-Ryu 2018-Present - Nidan ABS Bladesmith 2021-Present - Apprentice Matayoshi Kobudo 2024-Present - Kukyu
sensei8 Posted April 14, 2021 Posted April 14, 2021 Style-wise, it's a mixed bag. You're more likely to find that sort of material from schools that teach "practical karate," regardless of the style. The material is present in all styles of karate, but they don't all train in it.Solid post!!As far as "Heavy" is according to ones understanding. In Shindokan, I'd most assuredly say that we're "Heavy" in grappling. We train in grappling from day one because our founder was a firm believer that sometime during a fight, it'll end up on the ground, and a lot of that will come to pass because we take the fight to the ground according. **Proof is on the floor!!!
Himokiri Karate Posted April 16, 2021 Author Posted April 16, 2021 Style-wise, it's a mixed bag. You're more likely to find that sort of material from schools that teach "practical karate," regardless of the style. The material is present in all styles of karate, but they don't all train in it.I remembered Bruce Tegners Jukado and how he combined karate with judo. In sambo you can punch and kick in the combat version. I always wondered if karate had a combat curriculum that addressed throws and grappling. It begins with the knowledge that the severity of a strikes impact is amplified by a smaller surface area.
The Pred Posted April 17, 2021 Posted April 17, 2021 I would say Okinawan style of Goju Ryu has a lot of close range grappling. Teachers are always learning
bushido_man96 Posted April 18, 2021 Posted April 18, 2021 I would say Okinawan style of Goju Ryu has a lot of close range grappling.That is what I've heard a lot, as well. I think it'd be a fun one to try. https://www.haysgym.comhttp://www.sunyis.com/https://www.aikidoofnorthwestkansas.com
Miick 11 Posted April 18, 2021 Posted April 18, 2021 Shorin Ryu ( Matsamura Seito version ) has a lot of standing locks, take downs and throws but little 'wrestling on the ground' .Most come from bunkai in kata that others see as blocks and strikes, etc . Being a 'traditional' Okinawan form (old style karate ) is has more of the 'Okinawan wrestling' in it than adapted latter 'Japanese versions ' that either changed or used an already changed system and it seems to focus more on on striking . If any thing I would say Shorin Ryu seems to focus more on tai sabaki than striking ; striking is often used as the initial 'distraction' ... and some times as a final 'ending' to a technique
Nidan Melbourne Posted April 20, 2021 Posted April 20, 2021 Definitely is a mixed bag but then it is even more of a mixed bag when it comes to the schools teaching it. We do a bit of grappling/throws etc at my school because a few of us have the experience from having learnt it elsewhere. Along with being encouraged to learn from other instructors.
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