jeet Kune do is a philosophy, and is not effective

[UseoForce]

sry, don't know how that "quote" got in there.

[italian_guy]

JKD is a MA that is built on the principles stated in the Tao of JKD and assembles various MA (Kickboxing, Wing Chun, BJJ, Kali,Muay Thai etc.) depending on the lineage. For example Inosanto lineage has more filipino elements plus lots of other different arts, Hartsell lineage has more grappling, Kent lineage more striking, and Taki Kimura(not sure about the spelling) lineage resembles more the original Jun Fan Gong fu core.

It is non-classical because it has no forms and is in constant evolution,

it is (usually) a MMA because has grappling and striking.

It is user-oriented my former JKD instructor use to say (in accordance with BL principles):

"you have to learn and try every aspect of the art but on the end my JKD will be different from your JKD and his JKD... because it all depends on body type and different individual ability, you have to try everything I can teach you but what you are going to use depends only on you"

Usually in JKD sparring starts with light contact and progresses to full contact (with padding) it is very sparring oriented, people start sparring since almost the beginning.

[jeff5]

you get two jkd students or masters to fight full contact guess what you get. Two kickboxers.

I have to diasagree. For students it depends on their level. So its hard to make a generalization. If you get two instructors, what you'll probably see is what looks like kickboxing in long range, then some kind of trapping/clinching as they close in, then ending with grappling/ground fighting etc. That is if they're sparring. Not talking about a self defense situation.

Yes sparring is full contact, light at first, progressively harder and against multiple opponents eventually. Everything that we do must work in an "alive" situation. (against an unwilling opponent basically)

To add one more thing. From a philisophical perspective, having no form doesn't mean having "no form". (I may have that backwards) In other words you need a base to work from, whether its Jun Fan, Wing Chun, Karate, whatever, before you can chisel away at it and break out of it to truly flow. My understanding anyway.

[Kajukenbopr]

its funny because you are saying it like, "well, if it works it is JKD".

what about saying: "I found something that works better for me"?

you can say you used a concept of JKD, but not necesarily the style. and it is not exclusive of JKD either: krav maga, farang mu sul, kajukenbo, kenpo, and other styles have the same phylosophy: use what works and what suits you best.

[italian_guy]

its funny because you are saying it like, "well, if it works it is JKD".

what about saying: "I found something that works better for me"?

you can say you used a concept of JKD, but not necesarily the style. and it is not exclusive of JKD either: krav maga, farang mu sul, kajukenbo, kenpo, and other styles have the same phylosophy: use what works and what suits you best.

"Use what's best for you" is one of the pricinples but not the only one....

There are a lot of them in the tao of JKD and all of them are applied in a good JKD course.

I can give you few examples: strong side forward, (usually) in JKD, when you learn striking (or JKD kickboxing) you learn to fight in right guard, (then also left guard but right guard should be preferred) no forms and no uniform (you should practice in street clothes) and many others....

[BJJ is 1]

We have always sparred in class light/full contact, I have never heard of point sparring in JKD

Most students in our class use a right lead and we incorporate Kali and BJJ into our JKD.

[Smitty]

As said before, the whole "Do what works for you" thing has been around forever

Every time I've heard someone quote Bruce Lee, it's been something either age-old ( i.e. Be like water, flow or however he put it) or common sense (Boards don't hit back).

Does someone have to be a movie star before people will actually pay attention to what others have been saying for a long time?

[Menjo]

As said before, the whole "Do what works for you" thing has been around forever

Every time I've heard someone quote Bruce Lee, it's been something either age-old ( i.e. Be like water, flow or however he put it) or common sense (Boards don't hit back).

Does someone have to be a movie star before people will actually pay attention to what others have been saying for a long time?

I think that its good he promoted MA values that the average groups of MA agree on, at least he used his fame for some good use in some sense.

[Fenris-wolf]

The whole

you get two jkd students or masters to fight full contact guess what you get. Two kickboxers.

thing, to me at least, just says what I've seen demonstrated. If you get any (stand up!) MAists and get them doing full-contact, it all looks pretty much the same.

That said, if it was a MMA rules fight it would be a little different...

[italian_guy]

We have always sparred in class light/full contact, I have never heard of point sparring in JKD

Most students in our class use a right lead and we incorporate Kali and BJJ into our JKD.

Agreed. The beginner's sparring session is light contact but continous... then becomes moderate/full contact (with paddings).

As said before, the whole "Do what works for you" thing has been around forever

Every time I've heard someone quote Bruce Lee, it's been something either age-old ( i.e. Be like water, flow or however he put it) or common sense (Boards don't hit back).

Does someone have to be a movie star before people will actually pay attention to what others have been saying for a long time?

I agreed that some of the principles aren't new but the overall picture has the dignity to be considered a new MA. I give you an example.. you can trace back the roots of karate (expecially the style I'm studing i.e. GoJu ryu) down to china and to several chinese styles but you cannot say that Karate is a sort of kung fu variation or adaption you should consider it a different and separate MA.

The whole Quote:

you get two jkd students or masters to fight full contact guess what you get. Two kickboxers.

thing, to me at least, just says what I've seen demonstrated. If you get any (stand up!) MAists and get them doing full-contact, it all looks pretty much the same.

That said, if it was a MMA rules fight it would be a little different...

Yes it depends on the rules. A good JKD expert even if it is mostly trained for street fight is able to fight in various competitions... He can be a kickboxer although JKD teaches mainly low kicks... I know several people in my JKD school that have successfully competed in Sanda or in full contact stickfighting, my sifu goes regularly to Dog Brothers gatherings... and one female student from my school has won many Submission grappling competitions and so forth.A good JKD MA with a lot of experience can fight with a lot of rules and adapt...