UFC vs K-1

[y2_sub]

sorry for last post i meant no disrespect

No problem , no disrespect was made

[y2_sub]

A traditional guy would like to watch the WKF world tournament more than watching a K-1 or UFC match

that's too broad of a generalization. WAY too broad. heck, k-1 is rooted in kyokushin, no?

Right , althaugh kyokushin is traditional karate , it contains the elements of MMA by it's nature , lots of MMA styles are kyokushin offsets (Shidokan , seido kaikan , daidu juku ) , i have read so many articles that consider kyokushin a negative , force oriented unorthodox style of karate . but i agree , thats a generalization , what i ment by a traditionalist is the "okinawan karate" type of martial artists

Muay thai is a traditional thai fighting system , right ????

[BJJ is 1]

By the way what is WKF?

[elbows_and_knees]

Muay thai is a traditional thai fighting system , right ????

technically, no. muay thai was devised in the 1920's. it is an offshoot of the more traditional muay. Traditional muay today is taught as muay boran, but in the past, there were many - muay lon lon, mae mai, muay kaad cheurk, muay chaiya, etc.

[niel0092]

I really like wathcing both. I tend to enjoy the K1 fights more though, probably because I'm a striker, but I do enjoy a good take down or armbar as well. Those are skills I dont have an abundance of and love seeing them done well.

Now the K1 San Shou rules I feel are the most fun to watch. You get to see strikes and take downs without so much time spent on the ground. Love watching Cung Lee fight.

[y2_sub]

By the way what is WKF?

World Karate Federation . Point sparring rules

[BJJ is 1]

I don't realy like point fighting, just because I like the fact that in MMA you can be for example a great karate guy and have to fight a great BJJ guy. If that happens (probably not now but back in the day) the Karate guy could be taken down and be completly out or his element. OR the Karate guy could sprawl the whole fight and leave the BJJ guy out of his element.

[Daedalus]

Muay thai is a traditional thai fighting system , right ????

technically, no. muay thai was devised in the 1920's. it is an offshoot of the more traditional muay. Traditional muay today is taught as muay boran, but in the past, there were many - muay lon lon, mae mai, muay kaad cheurk, muay chaiya, etc.

By that logic any style of Tae Kwon Do would be a non-traditional style because it's origins are much more recent then even the 1920's.

[elbows_and_knees]

and you are correct. TKD is NOT a traditional style. However, it's predecessor - not tang soo do, but whatever preceeeded that - very well may be.

That's the way that the distinction is made. The japanese do the same. jujutsu is considered a koryu - classical - style. judo is not. Why? Because judo was created AFTER the war era of japan. it came about during the meiji / end of the tokugawa - during peacetime. Judo to the japanese is thus not considered traditional. It may adhere to traditions, but is not a classical style.

Here's another key for you. do = way. tae kwon DO. juDO. karate-DO. AikiDO

any art with 'do' in the title is NOT traditional. At least, in japanese terminology. I know that do has the same meaning in korean, but I'm not sure if they use the same delinneation that I am about to mention.

In japanese styles, all combat / traditional styles are called jutsu. ninjutsu, taijutsu, karatejutsu, jujutsu, aikijutsu... jutsu means 'art'. do means 'way'. After peace time began, martial arts were not needed as an art of war. Therefore, they modified them to make them more appealing to everyday citizens. They then became a way of life... as stated, 'do' means 'way'.

[italian_guy]

Right , althaugh kyokushin is traditional karate , it contains the elements of MMA by it's nature , lots of MMA styles are kyokushin offsets (Shidokan , seido kaikan , daidu juku ) , i have read so many articles that consider kyokushin a negative , force oriented unorthodox style of karate . but i agree , thats a generalization , what i ment by a traditionalist is the "okinawan karate" type of martial artists

Also okinawan karate has a lot of grappling MMA elements. I think that depends mostly on the school; in my Go ju ryu dojo we spend about 30% of our time in grappling, sometimes we do entire weeks of training doing only grappling. So it is not 50%-50% balanced but has quite a lot of grappling in it. While I have seen once a Kyokushin karateka visiting our dojo that had very little grappling experience.