No first attack?

[brickman]

Killer,

 

I said Sen-no-Sen which is the shorin ryu concept of what you are saying. There is another concept of the Sen idea too...therefore i said the name of both. I agree with what you said above though.....if you are really really good at fighting, you "know" when someone is attacking and choose the time to react (based on that reaction it is EITHER go-no-sen or sen-no-sen). We call that timing.....the question is when do you attack? how do you want to attack? what is your purpose? are there more than one person?? It is like that scene in "Last Samurai" when Tom Cruise is attacked on his way to get Sokumoto (sp) out of confinement. The answer to those questions is the answer to which sen you use.....I do not know if anyone teaches both ideas anymore....well I do know at least three people who teach it.

[AngelaG]

We are taught to have our hands up in a passive gesture (palms out), to say something along the lines of "I don't want to fight!".. This way your hands are up and ready should you need to strike but you look as though you are trying to calm the situation down, and everyone has heard you say that you don't want to fight. People's memories are faulty, they often won't remember who hit who first especially if the strikes are fast and it's over quickly, but something said in a loud and clear voice is more likely to stick in their mind.

[doubletwist]

We are taught to have our hands up in a passive gesture (palms out), to say something along the lines of "I don't want to fight!".. This way your hands are up and ready should you need to strike but you look as though you are trying to calm the situation down, and everyone has heard you say that you don't want to fight...

 

Yup, we are taught the exact same thing.

 

DT

[italian_guy]

We are taught to have our hands up in a passive gesture (palms out), to say something along the lines of "I don't want to fight!".. This way your hands are up and ready should you need to strike but you look as though you are trying to calm the situation down, and everyone has heard you say that you don't want to fight...

 

Yup, we are taught the exact same thing.

 

DT

 

This is also something I have learnt from a JKD instructor....

[Killer Miller]

In Shotokan:

 

Sen = Before oponent commits an attack.

 

Sen-no-sen = Same time as oponent's attack.

 

Sen-go-no-sen = After oponent's attack or technique.

 

- Killer -

 

 

Killer,

 

I said Sen-no-Sen which is the shorin ryu concept of what you are saying. There is another concept of the Sen idea too...therefore i said the name of both. I agree with what you said above though.....if you are really really good at fighting, you "know" when someone is attacking and choose the time to react (based on that reaction it is EITHER go-no-sen or sen-no-sen). We call that timing.....the question is when do you attack? how do you want to attack? what is your purpose? are there more than one person?? It is like that scene in "Last Samurai" when Tom Cruise is attacked on his way to get Sokumoto (sp) out of confinement. The answer to those questions is the answer to which sen you use.....I do not know if anyone teaches both ideas anymore....well I do know at least three people who teach it.

[brickman]

killer,

 

I see....just goes to show the fundamental differences in styles. Both have the same words....but slightly different meanings. Very interesting concept. Thanks for the info.

[Ant]

We are taught to have our hands up in a passive gesture (palms out), to say something along the lines of "I don't want to fight!".. This way your hands are up and ready should you need to strike but you look as though you are trying to calm the situation down, and everyone has heard you say that you don't want to fight...

 

Yup, we are taught the exact same thing.

 

DT

 

Us too, but the wording is "Stay back (important) I don't want to hurt you"

 

The stay back is a warning to stay ouside of your attacking range, if they step inside we are told to strike as a warning and if they don't get the message, strike to end the conflict.

 

The sensei who taught this is an active member of the police force.

[Kaminari]

We are taught to have our hands up in a passive gesture (palms out), to say something along the lines of "I don't want to fight!".. This way your hands are up and ready should you need to strike but you look as though you are trying to calm the situation down, and everyone has heard you say that you don't want to fight. People's memories are faulty, they often won't remember who hit who first especially if the strikes are fast and it's over quickly, but something said in a loud and clear voice is more likely to stick in their mind.

 

Exactly. This is one of the first things I learned.

[elliotspirrett]

I'm not sure if someone has said this, but maybe the first attack should be one that could end a fight quickly, and effectively. For example, if someone swings for you, a block/effective dodge, and a sweep, would show the attacker, that you know what you are doing, and would make them think again about attacking.

 

Have to say, you write GREAT forums, it's not suprising that you're the member of the month! Well deserved! *applause*

[Ant]

I figure in a life or death situation every attack should end a fight quickly.

 

Knockout punch, take down throw, take down sweep, leg breaking kick etc etc