SevenStar Posted June 23, 2004 Share Posted June 23, 2004 basically. I'm open to anything when it comes to training, but when you say that you can build the same strength with bodyweight exercises that you can with weights - it's wrong - until science proves otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sansoouser Posted June 23, 2004 Author Share Posted June 23, 2004 Your right cymry, that's what i've been saying all along. I guess these people just believe their technique will last long. As for you Seven, I know you cannot get as strong on bodyweight exercises, but you don't have to be the world's strongest man to win a fight. I've already listed bodyweight fighters that did well. Weights will give you more brute strength, but not as much endurace or stabalizing muscle work, but all I'm saying is you can become really strong off bodyweight exercises. Have you ever seen a 140 pound gymnast? They're ripped to the bone and extremely strong for their size. The 140 pound gymnast only used bodyweight exercises and in his freshmen year he lifted 495, he was also doing pull ups with ease with an added 75 pound bag, but he had to stop because the weight belt ripped. The amateur shoots his hands out ferociously, but lacks any true power. A master is not so flamboyant, but his touch is as heavy as a mountain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DLopez Posted June 23, 2004 Share Posted June 23, 2004 Adrenaline will sap your energy within 10 seconds.Your right cymry, that's what i've been saying all along. I guess these people just believe their technique will last long. Within 10 seconds?? You know, despite all your exagerations, generalizations, and unsubstantiations, you're a funny guy. DeanDahn Boh Nim - Black-Brown BeltKuk Sool Won"Dream as if you'll live forever. Live as if you'll die tomorrow." - James Dean Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sansoouser Posted June 23, 2004 Author Share Posted June 23, 2004 Dlopez, i've take it you've never been in a fight. The average guy ( i'm assuming is you ) just starts swinging and holding his breath, 10 seconds later he's out of breath. Did you ever wonder why street fights last 10-30 seconds....? The amateur shoots his hands out ferociously, but lacks any true power. A master is not so flamboyant, but his touch is as heavy as a mountain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DLopez Posted June 23, 2004 Share Posted June 23, 2004 Dlopez, i've take it you've never been in a fight. The average guy ( i'm assuming is you ) just starts swinging and holding his breath, 10 seconds later he's out of breath. Did you ever wonder why street fights last 10-30 seconds....? I haven't been in a fight in years. I am beginning to wonder how often you get into fights. In fact, it almost feels as if you just challenged me... over the internet. I bet you never once in all your 'glorious' battles in the streets, never timed one with a stopwatch, so if you insist on stating such stuff so matter-of-factly, please give me hard data, not more exagerations and generalizations. BTW - Last time I fought, it lasted more than 10 seconds (believe it or not, despite your omnicience). More like ~5 minutes, although it felt like hours. Hmm... I was probably doing it wrong if I wasn't out of breath after 10 seconds. DeanDahn Boh Nim - Black-Brown BeltKuk Sool Won"Dream as if you'll live forever. Live as if you'll die tomorrow." - James Dean Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sansoouser Posted June 23, 2004 Author Share Posted June 23, 2004 5 minutes? Then I guess skill wasn't involved. Either you both were in shape, or you just stared and swung once every minute. I live in a bad neighbor hood and I see fights almost daily, and none last long, especially the ones with knives and guns. The amateur shoots his hands out ferociously, but lacks any true power. A master is not so flamboyant, but his touch is as heavy as a mountain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SevenStar Posted June 23, 2004 Share Posted June 23, 2004 Your right cymry, that's what i've been saying all along. I guess these people just believe their technique will last long. As for you Seven, I know you cannot get as strong on bodyweight exercises, but you don't have to be the world's strongest man to win a fight. never once did I say that you did. I've already listed bodyweight fighters that did well. Weights will give you more brute strength, but not as much endurace or stabalizing muscle work, but all I'm saying is you can become really strong off bodyweight exercises. Once again, I don't disagree with that. I stated somewhere (either this thread or the one in the combative forum) that you should do both. In the ring, endurance is definitely a necessity - you can't win without it - on the street, that's not necessarily the case. Have you ever seen a 140 pound gymnast? They're ripped to the bone and extremely strong for their size. The 140 pound gymnast only used bodyweight exercises and in his freshmen year he lifted 495, he was also doing pull ups with ease with an added 75 pound bag, but he had to stop because the weight belt ripped. the belt ripped - that goes back to what I was saying about the resistance eventually levelling off.... 495 on what lift? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DLopez Posted June 23, 2004 Share Posted June 23, 2004 5 minutes? Then I guess skill wasn't involved. Either you both were in shape, or you just stared and swung once every minute. I live in a bad neighbor hood and I see fights almost daily, and none last long, especially the ones with knives and guns. Just because it takes everyone in your "bad neighborhood" a mere 10 seconds to knock you out, doesn't mean the rest of us are pushovers. You da man!! DeanDahn Boh Nim - Black-Brown BeltKuk Sool Won"Dream as if you'll live forever. Live as if you'll die tomorrow." - James Dean Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sansoouser Posted June 23, 2004 Author Share Posted June 23, 2004 Now, we have personal attacks? I think that shows how insecure you really are about yourself. It just states you are a shallow person with low self estem, and if you can regain some " dignity " by insulting people on the internet then go right ahead. He lifted 495 on the lift. The amateur shoots his hands out ferociously, but lacks any true power. A master is not so flamboyant, but his touch is as heavy as a mountain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sansoouser Posted June 23, 2004 Author Share Posted June 23, 2004 You brought up Power to the People, have you also read Na ked Warrior? The amateur shoots his hands out ferociously, but lacks any true power. A master is not so flamboyant, but his touch is as heavy as a mountain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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