June 23, 200422 yr Author "all olympics lifts - cleans, lifts, squats, bench press" And yet you stated you didn't call them that? I have many more exercises you could never dream of doing more than 2 reps of, but I won't even bother with them, as I see you are to closed minded to change the weight plate crammed in your head. The amateur shoots his hands out ferociously, but lacks any true power. A master is not so flamboyant, but his touch is as heavy as a mountain.
June 23, 200422 yr Author Take a look at Rocky Marciano, he didn't use weights yet he could pound anybody, same as George Foreman, Ali, Charles Atlas, Woody Stroad, old time wrestlers, Gama, many people have become human wrecking balls from bodyweight exercies, so do some history before you start to shove your foot to far down your throat. The amateur shoots his hands out ferociously, but lacks any true power. A master is not so flamboyant, but his touch is as heavy as a mountain.
June 23, 200422 yr Foot down my throat? Heh. You listed 6 people. Just one football team alone easily triples that number of people that benefit from strength training. Bottom line is, you can train how you want, but please don't try to sound like an authority on the subject by pulling a few names out of your butt to support your weak position. Not to mention, you didn't even say what is wrong with strength training since you're so against it. You trying to make us think you're going to be the next Rocky Marciano or something? Sheesh! Why you gotta get all juvenile? DeanDahn Boh Nim - Black-Brown BeltKuk Sool Won"Dream as if you'll live forever. Live as if you'll die tomorrow." - James Dean
June 23, 200422 yr Author I my friend, am far from against weight training. If they stick to functional lifts like cleans and push press. Like you said train how you want. The amateur shoots his hands out ferociously, but lacks any true power. A master is not so flamboyant, but his touch is as heavy as a mountain.
June 23, 200422 yr Foot down my throat? Not to mention, you didn't even say what is wrong with strength training since you're so against it. because he can't. He can dispute the use of isolation exercises, but those aren't even in the scope of what we are talking about, so he has no argument...
June 23, 200422 yr If they stick to functional lifts like cleans and push press. "Functional lifts"??? Sounds like you're talking about the one elevator in my office building that actually works. If I didn't have access to weights, I'd probably improvise by doing pushups and stuff, but I do have access to weights, so I can better build up muscle strength as well as endurance by doing cardio-specific exercises. It's not rocket science. DeanDahn Boh Nim - Black-Brown BeltKuk Sool Won"Dream as if you'll live forever. Live as if you'll die tomorrow." - James Dean
June 23, 200422 yr "all olympics lifts - cleans, lifts, squats, bench press" And yet you stated you didn't call them that? I have many more exercises you could never dream of doing more than 2 reps of, but I won't even bother with them, as I see you are to closed minded to change the weight plate crammed in your head. no, actually I didn't. I listed compond exercises. However, I shouldn't have used the - , indicating a list following o lifts. I'm sure you don't have more exercises than I could dream of - I've been around the block a few times. and I'm not close minded. you were just wrong. easy as that. As I said earlier, and on the other thread we're going back and forth on, I do bodyweight exercises. My preference, however, is weights.
June 23, 200422 yr Take a look at Rocky Marciano, he didn't use weights yet he could pound anybody, same as George Foreman, Ali, Charles Atlas, Woody Stroad, old time wrestlers, Gama, many people have become human wrecking balls from bodyweight exercies, so do some history before you start to shove your foot to far down your throat. please show me something that staes foreman didn't lift weights...
June 23, 200422 yr Author LOL Your not close minded, I'm just wrong? I saw that in a comic once... It made even less sence here. The amateur shoots his hands out ferociously, but lacks any true power. A master is not so flamboyant, but his touch is as heavy as a mountain.
June 23, 200422 yr Yeah, I train for both as well. I'd say power is more important, because, well, you don't really need endurance. What do you need endurance for in a fight? I've never witnessed a fight that takes longer than 1 minute. It doesn't really matter, unless you're high school wrestling or something. But in an actual fight, you probably won't notice yourself getting tired anyway. Also, yes, to a certain degree technique can compensate for power, but if it's your first violent confrontation, you're probably going to completely forget "technique" and be glad you still have power. Power it is. Adrenaline will sap your energy within 10 seconds.
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