sansoouser Posted June 21, 2004 Posted June 21, 2004 What do you think is more important in a fight, brute force muscle ( like a power lifter ) or muscle endurance? I think muscle endurance is better, if you don't have energy to fight after a few seconds then you shouldn't be fighting. The amateur shoots his hands out ferociously, but lacks any true power. A master is not so flamboyant, but his touch is as heavy as a mountain.
Ravencroft Posted June 21, 2004 Posted June 21, 2004 Endurance definatley. if u are striking someone you can have technique make up for power. look at the man himself(Brue Lee). only 135 pounds and he could strike way harder than guys who could out lift him. But brute strength is more fun to train haha thats why i do both.
TheDevilAside Posted June 21, 2004 Posted June 21, 2004 Yeah, I train for both as well. I'd say power is more important, because, well, you don't really need endurance. What do you need endurance for in a fight? I've never witnessed a fight that takes longer than 1 minute. It doesn't really matter, unless you're high school wrestling or something. But in an actual fight, you probably won't notice yourself getting tired anyway. Also, yes, to a certain degree technique can compensate for power, but if it's your first violent confrontation, you're probably going to completely forget "technique" and be glad you still have power. Power it is. "If you're going through hell, keep going." - Sir Winston Churchill
sansoouser Posted June 21, 2004 Author Posted June 21, 2004 I disagree totally. All the fights i've seen one of the guys gets tired and starts to lean on the other guy or can barely hold his arms up to block, let alone hit. The tired guy has always lost except for one time I saw. " Fatigue makes cowards of us all. " The amateur shoots his hands out ferociously, but lacks any true power. A master is not so flamboyant, but his touch is as heavy as a mountain.
TheDevilAside Posted June 21, 2004 Posted June 21, 2004 In boxing? Yes. But an actual fight? Are you sure? Did they just never land their hits or what? Because you can only take so many hits. Also, I think cardiovascular is more revevant to exhaustion in a fight than muscle endurance. Well, I guess the heart is a muscle as well, but you know what I mean. "If you're going through hell, keep going." - Sir Winston Churchill
sansoouser Posted June 21, 2004 Author Posted June 21, 2004 I'm talking about a street fight. They were trading punches until one got to tired and hung off the other one who kept hitting until the guy went down. The amateur shoots his hands out ferociously, but lacks any true power. A master is not so flamboyant, but his touch is as heavy as a mountain.
Treebranch Posted June 21, 2004 Posted June 21, 2004 That's why you don't trade punches with someone, don't play his game. Endurance is more important than brute strength when you are talking about survival. If you fight smart you can tire out a big guy and have your way with him. "It is easier to find men who will volunteer to die, than to find those who are willing to endure pain with patience.""Lock em out or Knock em out"
sansoouser Posted June 22, 2004 Author Posted June 22, 2004 Yes, I agree. Most people in a fight get their adrenaline rush going and they come out full blast for about 5 or less seconds then their zapped and just throwing lots of slow hay makers, most all fights I see are like this. Usually the better conditioned guy wins unless the bigger guy can land a solid punch. It's that first adrenaline rush that zaps their enegry, like when spear hunting a jaguar. The amateur shoots his hands out ferociously, but lacks any true power. A master is not so flamboyant, but his touch is as heavy as a mountain.
wing chun kuen man Posted June 22, 2004 Posted June 22, 2004 I will have to go with endurance. In my branch of Wing Chun we develope our power from resistance training, ie. minimum muscle mass, which contributes to speed which added with body unity and internal training concepts, creates great penetrative power. The reliance on brute strengh to win fights is regarded as unnecessary. Also, the possession of brute strength does not necessarily mean that the fighter has power in his techniques. Wing Chun Kuen Man Real traditional martial arts training is difficult to find.....most dojos in the west are Mcdojos....some are better and some are worst....but they are what they are....do you train in one?
TheDevilAside Posted June 22, 2004 Posted June 22, 2004 Power! > "If you're going through hell, keep going." - Sir Winston Churchill
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