Johnlogic121

Hello, I have gone through martial arts that include Ninjutsu. In that art, they assert that there are four basic categories for attacking techniques, and a fifth miscellaneous category only contains a few things. Attacking techniques are either punching (including hand strikes and strikes with the arms, like elbows and shoulder strikes), kicking (including knees), grappling (either standing or groundfighting, with chokes), throwing, and the miscellanoues category includes head butts, biting, and leaping into the air to smash down upon a fallen foe and charging with the whole body. My question for the forum's discussion is this: what is the order of these categories in terms of the most effective, considering reliability and how much damage the moves typically do? You can order five things in 120 ways, so there are many possible answers. I would say that the most effective to least effective categories would be in this list: punching, kicking, throwing, grappling, and miscellanous. What do other people say? I know some people would put grappling first, but my opinion is that the best punching and kicking is stronger. Thanks in advance, -JL.

Hello, I'm interested in compiling a list of all the kicks offerred in Tae Kwon Do. I have heard that there are eleven to fourteen depending on where you study. The style of Karate I do emphasizes kicking below the waist, so I am unfamiliar with the descripions of some of the types of kicks that go above the waist. Also, I only speak English, so Korean names or Japanese names impair my understanding without an English description of the move. Could someone help me out and list these for me? I have an impression that the TKD kicking syllabus is one of the most comprehensive kicking sets around, so I think a good list of all the classic TKD kicks ought to cover just about everything. Thanks in advance, and good luck in your training!

In the martial art of traditional Hung Gar, students used to take the first two years of their study only working on a simple punching drill. The same punching drill can be found in many styles of karate today: you essentially stand in a deep Horse stance and punch with one fist while retracting the opposite hand to the hip. The arms go out straight and the forearms twist before impact so that you develop the forearms with the rest of the muscles that thrust the fist out striaght like a spear. Hung Gar students used to do this for two hours a day, continuously, for two solid years before they learned any of the Hung Gar forms. The rigor of this discipline taught patience and character, and it also gave the students an outstanding physical development for punching ability - Hung Gar stylists back in the day were renowed for "one punch" knockouts. Later on, the arm calisthenics were taught along with the forms, so that the first two years weren't so boring! According to sources I have read, punching calisthenics are really the only way to develop the many punching muscles in exactly the right proportion for punching. You can build up pectorals by push ups and bench presses, but the many smaller muscles that guide a punch into position are only exerted fully when you punch. For this reason, punching calisthenics are indispensible to soldiers, police officers, and civlians because everybody wants their muscles to be developed in the right proportions to do the job. Good bench pressing helps, but refining the musclar development takes repetitive punching practice for each punch you use. Even just five minutes a day will help, as a fight normally doesn't consist of continuous punching, so you will develop good resistance to muscle fatigue in the arms by doing punching calisthenics. How many people do punching calisthenics regularly? You can also do fifty to one hundred kick per day with good results to your kicking ability. How many kicks do you do a day? One of my karate instructors recommended 1,000 techniques per day for proficiency, which you can do in less than an hour at a rate of 1 technique per 3 seconds. Does anybody else here do 1,000 techniques per day?

I read a book once that was written by a woman who was an accomplished tournament fighter. The book had a lot of good tips on tournament fighting, but it has been so many years since I read the work that I cannot recall the ttle or the author's name. However, I do recall a central thesis that I wanted to ask the forum about. This author asseted that to prepare for a tournament sparring fight it was only necessary to work at the physical development for three, four, or five techniques that you could score with and of coarse the blocking and dodging and footwork necessary to go with that. The specialization in 3, 4, or 5 techniques alone does limit versatality for true self-defense, but in a fight lasting a few minutes and going to a low number of points, it is recommended by her as sufficient. Each technique should have good form and blazing speed, and since speed is hard to develop in everything, focusing on 3, 4, or 5 things might be a useful idea. What does the forum think of this recommendation? How many sparring techniques should a person really prepare to use in a fight? Is there anybody who would stick to readying their full martial arts arsenal for a fight, even though sparring in tournaments can be done with a limited set of techniques? Thanks in advance for your time in replying, take care and good luck.

Certain martial artists train in styles that emphsize Chi cultivation for health and self-defense purposes. I have a general confidence that demonstrations involving Chi are usually real and no very badly faked, although I think I have seen some exaggerated examples of demonstrations that rely on muscle power and scientific explanations that don't require Chi. For example, sometimes someone will break a Bo staff over someone else's abdomen, but they hit with the middle of the staff instead of the last six inches, so that the weight of the unsupported end helps break the Bo. But fake examples aside, I believe that Chi can be cultivated for realisitic defense. I would like to take an informal, unscientific survey. How many people feel that they can use their level of Chi for pragmatic self-defense purposes? To qualify my question further, how much will your level of Chi help you in your self-defense efforts, if you don't mind providing an estimate? Is there anybody out there who feels that his Chi flow is enhanced enough to provide for 30% of his total sefl-defense? What about higher levels than that? I am assuming that people will tend to dodge and block and counterstrike with some degree of normality. How much do you think your Chi will help you in a real fighting encounter?

I'm curious as to the forums feelings regarding Self-defense against rape. I think the "Internal" area is the best place to pose my question because I'm asking for a philosophical point of view. In your opinion, is the victim of a sexual assault justified in using lethal force to try to stop the commission of the crime? Some people feel that rape attempts require maximum power of technique and physical force, while others believe that you should only use 10% more force than your attacker is using and let that person escalate. Please if someone could speak to the legalities of these types of scenarios I think that would greatly enhance the discussion. I believe this is an area that should be brought up periodically so that people can decide ahead of time how violently they would fight to repel an attack. If you murdered a potential rapist, wouldn't that in itself be traumatizing for the average person? I thank everybody in advance for their opinion. Take care and good luck out there.

Years ago, I read a magazine article in an issue of Black Belt magazine that said there was a difference between Muay Thai in Thailand and Muay Thai in the United States. Apparently, the primary kicks used in Thailand are the front kick, the back kick, and the side kick in that order. According to the author of the article I read, he said that in the United States, most Muay Thai Schools are teaching the style in such a way that the predominant kicks are the roundhouse kick, the front kick, and the side kick. The strength of Muay Thai is supposed to come not just from the basics used individually but from the devastating combinations that have been learned over the centuries through trial and error. The author of the article I read said that the transfer of those effective combinations is essentially not happening as it should as Muay Thai gets absorbed into the U.S. in ways that make it more similiar to American Freestyle Kickboxing. I thought this thesis would be of interst to the people who follow this area of the karateforums index. What do people think of this? Can anyone substantiate how Muay Thai is customarily used either in the States or in Thailand? If the transmission of the style is not going well, does that mean that most of the secrets of the style are still in Thailand? I'm curious as to the forum's feedback. What do you guys think?

Police Officers who are trained in Montgomery Style Karate train for four consecutive one hour lessons in striking (punching and kicking), then two hours in throwing, and then two hours in grappling. They tend to use the grappling 50% of the time. Nationally, they are seeing a 99% victory rate. They get attacked by assailiants between 1% and 10% of the time, depending on the area of the country, but the attackers try to kill between 1% and 3% of the time. After eight hours of training, they are awarded a yellow belt. Most training groups are not using mats, which makes throwing and grappling a little bit riskier, but people try to be careful to prevent injuries.

My government sources have told me that Doctor Hatsumi died of a stoke earlier this year. Ninjutsu message boards talk about "the end of an era" with his passing. And, I find it impossible to connect with him using telepathy anymore. Hence, he seems to be indeed gone.

I find it funny that you question my knowledge of Ninjutsu because millions of people now consider me to be the acting Grandmaster of Bujinkan Ninjutsu as well as Montgomery Style Karate. In truth, I leave a lot of those responsibilities to my friend Mr. David Heald. Honestly, Doctor Hatsumi did consider naming me but I was as busy as a research scientist can be (read: busy). I have contributed enough forms to Bujinkan Ninjutsu to cover half the ryu's movements; maybe they haven't gotten to your teacher in Japan yet...talk to Mr. Heald. You can get the documents in Word 2000 format and they are easy to understand, only 10% of the people had questions, and most of the questions were about things people had forgotten. As for the five weaknesses, they are described as part of the exposition on the Elemental Theory in one of Stephan Hayes's books. As for Shiayetsu, I never heard of it, but I don't find that odd as there are thousands of techniques and we don't get them all in the states. It could be a strategy principle, and almost nobody in the states has training in that aspect of the art. Doctor Hatsumi deliberately taught different groups different things so that people would be encouraged to travel to "get everything". Furthermore, since the War on Terror began, he kept building up the style in Japan without teaching the rest of the world - which has been doing Ninjutsu that is about eight years old now since the 9/11 attacks. I am very surprised that you say that Ninjutsu dojos in Japan only have a 60% success rate at transmitting the Art. If that is true, then they are having some serious internal problems, because you wouldn't normally expect to have a failure at transmitting the style unless a student stopped. I would believe that 40% of the students are dropping out if conditions for training are really bad, but back in Doctor Hatsumi's day, everybody had a really great training feeling and training was perfectly wonderful. In the states, you can train for black belt with video tape training courses that Dr. Hatsumi approved; so if you can learn it off of TV, why can't people learn it in Japan? Anyway, to get back to the orginal purpose of this thread, let me know what you think of the government keeping superior martial arts knowledge a secret. Thanks, -Johnlogic121

I think that it can be difficult to discern the best moves out of a style. I knew an Aikidoist who starting taking Ninjutsu classes with me and his observation was that it might take you twenty years of Aikido to learn Aikido's best moves, and even then, if you told somebody about them, that person might need five years of Aikido training to master those moves. I do think that a Jeet Kune Do martial artist could go through Karate styles at a fairly brisk speed, perhaps at a rate of one style per year, but certain styles would take more examination to discern what is the very best at their fundamental core. I would be cautious to study styles as a JKD practitioner because sometimes what works best for you in the beginning might not be what works best for you a few months later in your training when you have made a few more training breakthroughs. I would be reluctant to discount something that others can use effectively just because it didn't suit my personality - I think this is essentially what Bruce Lee was doing when he eliminated the things that didn't work for him. It wasn't that he didn't have two arms and two legs that worked like everybody else's, it was just that he didn't like certain things. But tastes in martial arts techniques change, and even a person's favorites can change with added repetitions and deliberate effort. JKD appears to one of the most successful styles around, but I think people sometimes move past things that they encounter before they get good enough to apply those teachings like the people they are learning them from. Truly, I would say that each decision has to be taken on a careful case-by-case basis. Whatever works for one person should work for anyone else, really, if the second person can wrap their head around the idea. Doing that is another matter. What do you think, ying&yang? I don't mean to disagree with you, but I think that discerning what works for oneself can be a hard decision sometimes.

I think acupunturists have a total of about 600 pressure points. However, these can only be activated with acupunturist's needles. Doctor Hatsumi taught that there were 36 pressure points large enouhg to be activated by the hands and body of a martial artist. Ninjutsu has methods for attacking all of them in one fashion or another. Pressure points are sometimes obvious points, like the eyes, the groin, the armpits, the throat, the solar plexus, the radial nerve on the inside of the elbow, and points like the top of the spine at the base of the skull and the kidneys. Less obvious points include the point on the tissue of the hand between the thumb and the first finger by the thumb's lowest joint; this point is called "L4" and it influences the large intestine, if I am not mistaken. You can adjust yourself there with proper accupressure methods to cure constipation I am told. Accupressurists usually press with the thumb or with a supported finger and hold for ten seconds on three separate intervals separted by ten seconds each. Whether you press hard or soft depends on the Yin or Yang status of the point in question, so unless you don't know the current state of your body's health with regard to Chi flow, it is dangerous to experiment because you can end up with wild cold or hot sensations and organ troubles. Researching this area is fairly easy, so if you are persistent, you will learn everything there is to know before long. Good luck!

If you are looking for a Ninjutsu dojo, a good place to check first would be one of the larger Ninjutsu websites. Many of these have dojo directories and staff who would be glad to point you to contact people who can help. I would recommend the site https://www.shinkentaijutsu.com because I know the guy who runs it. There are several leaders in the Ninjutsu community, and whch one you start to follow can have a big impact on your progress. Doctor Hatsumi ran the Bujinkan, and he was considered the world's Ninjutsu leader until his death recently. His cousin Sensei Tanemura-san runs the Genbukan, which is slightly more expensive. A man named Stephan Hayes has a group that differs somewhat from the Bujinkan although My. Hayes introduced Ninjutsu to the Western world through some really great books. If you can't find a local teacher, consider getting VHS tapes that teach the whole curriculum on television. A master named Van Donk has a great course that can take you all the way to black belt through home study. You just need a video camera to tape your performance for ranking purposes. I don't know the price of the course, but my impression from what I have been told is that it is a good course and very reasonable. Good luck!

Your Kung Fu instructor may be using just enough resistance with you when you are sparring with him so that you can try advanced things like armlocks, throws, and takedowns. If he gave you too much resistance, you wouldn't be able to build up practice using those skills, and it would only deter your confidence. I recommend that you talk the matter over with him and I would encourage you to honestly ask him if he is going easy on you so that you can get valuable practice time in. Maybe he could agree to show you high resistance one time so you could feel what it is like before going back to a lowered resistance. I think you'll find that he is actually helping you learn by giving you his own body to practice on. That's really very generous of him. If you had 100% resistance from a training partner all the time, even simple strikes would be relatively hard to make. As for me, I would prefer a gradually increasing level of intensity until I built up enough skill and confidence to be able to withstand high resistance from my partner.

I have encountered some readings that talked a little bit about the Snake Style. It introduced such concepts as moving forwards and backwards as well as from side to side when you are pausing in combat so that you make a moving target. Many innovations from the Snake Style were apparently incorporated into other styles over time, so although "pure" snake style may be rare, it has ideas and forms that show up in all kinds of places. Isshinryu karate has two blocks in its first kata that look like snake style blocks - they cover the solar plexus region by sweeping the forearm out to the side so that the hand is either just above or just below the attacker's elbow when he strikes to the solar plexus. Some snake style variations include Cobra style movements, where you can thrust the right thumb into the armpit when attacking the shoulder with a grab or use the top of the fist horizontally to strike at the ear tissues. I would actually recommend Chinese movies, such as the Jackie Chan classic "Snake in the Eagle's Shadow." It may be hard to find, but that movie along with "Drunken Master" catipulted Jackie Chan to stardom. Just about any Chinese movie with "Snake" in the title will give you actual footage hints to real snake style movements. Good luck!

There is a practice called "staking" that appears in certain Kung Fu styles and sometimes alos in certain Karate styles. The practice involves putting your body into a certain stance position and holding that posture for anywhere from three minutes to an hour. Usually there is a meditative component to this static posturing that varies with the instructor's guidelines. Sometimes, you meditate on the triple realms of Heaven, Man, and Earth that are perceived in Oriental metaphysics as you make your body a living "stake" that connects Heaven and Earth. At other times, you focus mentally on every detail of the posture's physical 'feeling' so that you can really, really learn the position. I had a Kung Fu teacher who would emphasize staying in certain stances for as long as forty-five minutes on certain class nights because after that experience your ability to enter that exact stance again with skill was really solid. I have heard that Tai Chi also has some of this practice for some of its harder positions, and that most of the world neglects the work with static postures, and the result is that the forms take twice as long to learn because you have to learn the stances dynamically. Has anybody else heard of the practice of "staking?" Can anybody add any observations about how it works and how it can be done? Thanks, -John

In the Western Hemisphere, "Kung Fu" is the phrase used to describe a martial art that orginated in China. One translation offerred for the phrase "Kung Fu" is "hard work," but an alternate translation is "running fire." Sometimes "Kung Fu" is rendered into English as "Gong Fu," and you encounter this term often when researching the late Bruce Lee. Kung Fu comes in thousands of styles. "Chi Kung" is an exercise system that is designed for either health or personal development through special conditioning of the body. Many systems of Kung Fu also have a Chi Kung component for therapy or healing. Because Chinese medical theory permeates Kung Fu and Chi Kung exercises, people who cultivate one or the other or both are conscious of how the exercises influence the health of their bodies. Sometimes a student will want to know a Kung Fu teacher's organ diagnosis before agreeing to do the same forms that that other person did, for fear that some mistake in the form transmission could cause some sort of disease. Some Kung Fu and Chi Kung movements do condition the organs, so imprecise imitation of a form that you haven't been taught correctly can be hazardous to one's Chi flow and health. Martial arts are traded actively between countries by civilians and military alike, so karate forms from Japan have influenced Kung Fu and vice versa. Most histories of Karate say that Okinawon sailors borrowed simplified forms from China to import fighting arts into their own country, and that is evidently a significant part of karate's origin in Japan. Much Kung Fu in America came through Hawaii. Chinese Kempo became Ed Parker's Kempo when he learned it in Hawaii and transferred it to the mainland, for example. In China, the civilian martial artists usually train for an entire lifetime for maximum cultivation of their art, so these systems are highly developed and very sophisticated with hundreds of training forms so that the training stays fresh.

The techniques I shared were introduced by Doctor Hatsumi. I must insist that both work exceedlingly well. Perhaps I haven't described the techniques accurately enough, but I have confidence they work as a Grandmaster in my own right. The roundhouse defense hits the kneecap squarely head on at the instant the leg is reaching full extension, so the natural result is a hyperextension of the knee joint and thus a badly disabled leg. Smashing the face almost isn't needed at that point. As for the Judo defense, this will defend against almost all of the 67 Judo throws because the Judo man can't get his hips even close to yours when your palm is jamming his kidney. There is not even a need to strike with the palm as you are simply keeping his hips away from you and he can't get them under yours. Your remark is critical about protecting the centerline, but since we are talking about a Judo throw, the attacker's back is towards you and thus your centerline is in no danger. The hammer and anvil neck break will break a neck more easily than either part done by itself separately as the conjoined force is highly damaging to the compressed vertebrae. I would like to respond more precisely to your post, but I didn't understand all of your objections clearly.

"Green Long Turns its Head" is a rather unusual name for a technique I read about in a Kung Fu magazine several years ago. The technique is a throw that resembles a kind of single leg sweep. As the attacker lunges, you dive forward with a low, deep stance and seize his rear ankle with one hand as you use the other hand to grapple his extended arm behind your back. My description might not be as effective as a photograph, but essentially, once you achieve the basic lock you rise on your deep stance into an upright position and heave the opponent off of your back onto the ground. The dive towards the rear ankle keeps your head out of the way of the incoming lunge. From the title, however, you can guess almost nothing about the technique. I take it that this is common in Kung Fu. Can anybody else give an example of a technique they can describe in words, but which is named oddly? I think that these naming systems once protected the secrecy of martial arts knowledge.

Monkey Style Kung Fu has some techniques that work great when you have the advantage of surprising your opponent. This makes some Monkey style boxing a good element to add to your Kung Fu knowledge, because you can apply a Monkey style manuever at just the right moment when your assailiant is expecting another type of manuever from a stand-up position. "Monkey Steals a Peach" is a manuever in which the opponent begins with a punch towards your nose or a similiar attack. The Monkey stylist then ducks low into a squating stance, avoiding the upper body attack entirely. Then, from a low position, the Monkey stylist reaches out with one hand and clutches the attacker's scrotum. You give that "peach" a good grab and then tug with all you are worth, like you can pull the genitals off. Obviously, this technique defends best against a male attacker; against a woman, you would have to use the variation in which you punch into the lower pelvis, which a woman wouldn't appreciate. There are all kinds of Monkey techniques, as this style has about five major substyles and a lot of creative forms. Does anyone else know of any good Monkey techniques they can share with the forum?

Like many Americans, I have occassionally played a few role-playing games in the past. My question for the forum is what role-playing game presents the best martial arts simulation? Or, alternatively, what in what role-playing game are martial artists most fun to play? I like the game play in the Champions Super Hero role-playing game, in which characters almost never die. However, it is hard to define combination striking in that system, as each attack tends to simulate a specific "special effect" like a single punch or kick. If you say the special effect is "five rapid punches," a typical Isshinryu karate move, then it tends to look awkward when compared to the Champions speed chart in which you can only move a certain number of times in each twelve second interval. Rolemaster, the second most popular role-playing game, has good martial arts but they are about four times as difficult to learn as fighting with a weapon and your results are determined by random rolls on charts rather than personal choices for what move you want to use. In Dungeons and Dragons, the most popular role-playing game, the old Oriental Adventures book that went with first or second edition AD&D had a wonderful unrmed combat system. However, in the latest editions of AD&D, monks do pitifully low amounts of damage compared to epople who carry weapons. This may be realistic, but in a game with magic and monsters, realism has already taken two severe shots, and I would prefer warrior monks who could do at least 1-6 points of damage with a kick or a throw near first level. What does the forum think about the various role-playing games out there? I'm sure I haven't heard of them all. My top vote is for Champions, even though it isn't perfect. What do other people think?

Here are two Ninjutsu techniques, as requested. Neither appear in Judo. Defense against the roundhouse kick to the head: Dodge in the same direction as the leg is kicking and step inwards towards the opponent. Thus, you are moving in at a diagonal angle. If the kick is coming in from the left, you move to the right; if the kick is coming in from the right, you move to the left. At the end of your dodging motion you turn to face the knee and punch it squarely with the fist that is on the opposite side of your body as you rotate from the hips on down. Thus, if the kick is coming in from the left side, you use the right fist; otherwise, you use the left fist. The torso rotates slightly too. The technique is designed to put pressure on the kneecap of the kicker's leg right at the moment he is making full extension with his roundhouse kicking attempt. The end result is that the leg is hyperextended easily. To continue the technique, you use your other hand to smash the face. The intense pain of the leg hyperextension maks smashing the face somewhat easy. Be very careful if you practice this, because hyperextending the knee joint is incredibly easy. Defense against a Judo hip throw (or just about any Judo throw): As the opponent comes in to lower his hips below yours, free your left hand from its grab on his right arm and put your left palm upon the area of the thrower's back by his kidney. What you are doing is jamming his throwing attempt by putting your hand as a barrier so that he can not get his hips under yours. This stops almost all Judo throws very easily. Then, you either go for the hands that he has on your clothing and twist his wrist to break his wrist (as a nonlethal variation) or you put both hands beside his neck for the neck break. The left hand makes a fist with the thumb joint on top, and this thumb joint goes into the caratid artery and the right hand makes a schuto (knifehand) and chops simultaneously against the right side of the neck with the palm down. The neck break is called a "Hammer and Anvil" because you are crushing him with both hands. This works against almost all Judo throws. Be careful if you practice this, because damaging your partner with this technique can be very easy.

I don't think that the rarity of Gorillas and Pumas in China is a problem with their use in the inspiration of various animal styles. I didn't make up the concepts. The man I met who was skilled in Gorilla and Puma was a good fighter, even though his moves were limited. Lions are rare in China, except in zoos, but the Lion dance is incredibly popular and the Lion footwork is used in one of the dominant Mantis styles as the footwork model. There are hundreds of animal styles, if not thousands, as the creaturesof nature have been very inspirational to Chinese martial arts. Dragons and Unicorns are exceedingly rare in China, but those mythical styes are well known, as though those creatures existed. Mang Chaun is somewhat rare. One translation of the name is "Blue Ship." My instructor had legitimate training and one of my fellow students was legally blind, yet learned to defend himself well. China has a population of 1.3 billion people, so there are more than a thousand styles of Kung Fu, which makes for a different style for every group of a million people. It is not surprising that Wikipedia doesn't list everything. I don't think Wikipedia lists Montgomery Style Karate, either, even though MSK has many, many students.

There is a book called "Iron and Silk" which gives an account of an American English teacher who went to China to teach English and to experience the martial arts of that country. In his book, he gives an account of how he witnessed a CALLIGRAPHY master sweating profusely from concentration alone when spending almost an hour on a difficult piece of master artwork. Hence, I conclude that intense concentration can make you sweat. I recommend the book, it is an excellant read.

Certain people have low motivation to train for years in a martial art but still require some rudimentary defense. This begs the question, how do you train someone in just a couple of workouts to be as good as they can possibly be as a martial artist when they might only refresh those skills you teach them on their own periodically? Bare Forms of Kung Fu attempt to answer this need. Bare forms are limited sets of movements, possibly less than five moves, which people can learn and use for effective self-defense against other people who either lack training or who have some passing skill in other Bare Forms. "Gorilla-Puma" Style is one of the strongest Bare Forms. The Gorilla movements are basic footwork and front kicks to the groin. The Puma movements are palm heel strikes to the heart with the right hand and palm heel strikes to the right side of the chest with the left hand. There is a throw which consists of hitting the heart with the right hand, hitting the right side of the chest to unbalance the body, and then hitting both sides of the chest at once with the hands to push the opponent over backwards. The throw is supposed to symbolize the pouncing action of the Puma, in which the two forepaws land separately and the two rear paws land together. I knew a man who said that he had proficiency in this exact Bare Form and from my previous knowledge I could recognize what he was talking about. An even briefer Bare From is literally "Bear Form" - the single move is a step forward with a inward horizontally sweeping palm strike to the ear. This single move is very damaging, and for an older person or someone who only attends one workout, it can be a lifesaver. Has anyone in the forum heard of any other Bare Forms, and what are they?